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12:29.1
Τῆς παρ Ἑβραίοις γραφῆς περὶ τοῦ σπουδῇ φιλοσοφοῦντος φασκούσης ἀγαθὸν ἀνδρὶ ὅταν ἄρῃ ζυγὸν ἐν νεότητι αὐτοῦ· καθήσεται κατὰ μόνας, καὶ σιωπήσεται ὅτι ᾖρεν ἐφ ἑαυτῷ· καὶ περὶ τῶν θεοφιλῶν προφητῶν, ὡς ἄρα δι ἀκρότητα φιλοσοφίας ἐν ἐρημίαις καὶ ὄρεσι καὶ σπηλαίοις διῆγον, πρὸς μόνῳ τῷ θεῷ τὴν διάνοιαν ἔχοντες, ἐπάκουσον τοῦ Πλάτωνος ὅπως καὶ αὐτὸς τὸν τοιόνδε τοῦ βίου τρόπον ἐκθειάζει, ὧδέ πη περὶ τοῦ ἄκρως φιλοσοφοῦντος διεξιών
既然希伯來人的經文,論到那專心致志、認真追求哲學之人時說:「人在幼年負軛,這原是好的。他當獨坐無言,因為這是耶和華加在他身上的」;又論到那些蒙神喜愛的先知,說他們正因哲學造詣之高,才在曠野、山嶺、洞穴中度日,一心只專注於神——那麼,且聽柏拉圖自己,是如何也把這樣的生活方式尊崇為近乎神聖的,他大致如此論述那位臻於哲學至高境界之人。
Since the Scripture among the Hebrews, speaking of the man who philosophizes with earnest diligence, says: "It is good for a man when he bears the yoke in his youth; he shall sit alone and keep silence, because he has taken it upon himself" — and concerning the God-loving prophets, that indeed, on account of the height of their philosophy, they spent their lives in deserts, mountains, and caves, keeping their minds fixed on God alone — hear now how Plato himself likewise extols this very manner of life as divine, discoursing somewhat as follows concerning the man who philosophizes to the highest degree.
12:29.2
Λέγωμεν δὴ, ὡς ἔοικεν, ἐπεὶ σοί γε δοκεῖ, περὶ τῶν κορυφαίων· τί γὰρ ἄν τις τούς γε φαύλως διατρίβοντας ἐν φιλοσοφίᾳ λέγοι; οὗτοι δέ που ἐκ νέων πρῶτον μὲν εἰς ἀγορὰν οὐκ ἴσασι τὴν ὁδὸν, οὐδὲ ὅπου δικαστήριον, ἢ βουλευτήριον, ἤ τι κοινὸν ἄλλο τῆς πόλεως συνέδριον· νόμους δὲ καὶ ψηφίσματα λεγόμενα ἢ γεγραμμένα οὔθ ὁρῶσιν οὔτ ἀκούουσι. σπουδαὶ δὲ ἑταιρειῶν ἐπ ἀρχὰς καὶ σύνοδοι καὶ δεῖπνα καὶ σὺν αὐλητρίσι κῶμοι, οὐδὲ ὄναρ πράττειν προσίσταται αὐτοῖς
「那麼,既然你樂意,我們就來談談這些人中最頂尖的那一類——至於那些對哲學只是敷衍度日的人,又有什麼好談的呢?這些人自幼以來,首先便不曉得通往市集的路,也不知道法庭、議事廳,或城邦任何其他公共集會的所在何處;至於或口傳、或成文的法律和決議,他們也是既不曾眼見,也不曾耳聞。至於那些黨派為爭取官職而起的熱切角逐,以及各種聚會、宴飲,還有伴著吹笛女的狂歡作樂,這些人連做夢都不曾想過要參與其中。」
'Let us, then, speak, it seems, since it pleases you, about the foremost among them — for what would one even say of those who spend their time in philosophy in a mediocre way? These men, from their youth onward, in the first place, do not know the way to the marketplace, nor where the courthouse is, or the council chamber, or any other common assembly of the city; and laws and decrees, whether spoken or written, they neither see nor hear. As for the eager rivalries of political factions for office, and their gatherings, and banquets, and revels with flute-girls — it does not even occur to them in a dream to take part in such things.'
12:29.3
εὖ δὲ ἢ κακῶς τί γέγονεν ἐν πόλει, ἢ τί τῳ κακόν ἐστιν ἐκ προγόνων γεγονὸς ἢ πρὸς ἀνδρῶν ἢ γυναικῶν, μᾶλλον αὐτὸν λέληθεν ἢ οἶ τῆς θαλάσσης λεγόμενοι χόες. καὶ ταῦτα πάντα οὐδ ὅτι οὐκ οἶδεν οἶδεν· οὐδὲ γὰρ αὐτῶν ἀπέχεται τοῦ εὐδοκιμεῖν χάριν, ἀλλὰ τῷ ὄντι τὸ σῶμα μόνον ἐν τῇ πόλει κεῖται αὐτοῦ καὶ ἐπιδημεῖ · ἡ δὲ διάνοια, ταῦτα πάντα ἡγησαμένη σμικρὰ καὶ οὐδὲν, ἀτιμάσασα πανταχῆ πέταται, κατὰ Πίνδαρον, τά τε γᾶς ὑπένερθε καὶ τὰ ἐπίπεδα γεωμετροῦσα, οὐρανοῦ τε ὕπερ ἀστρονομοῦσα, καὶ πᾶσαν πάντη φύσιν ἐρευνωμένη τῶν ὄντων ἑκάστου ὅλου, εἰς τῶν ἐγγὺς οὐδὲν ἑαυτὴν συγκαθιεῖσα
「城邦中發生了什麼好事或壞事,或某人從祖先那裡承受了什麼禍患——無論來自父系還是母系——都比人們常說的『海邊的沙粒』更逃不過他的注意。而他甚至不知道自己不知道這一切;因為他之所以不涉獵這些事,並不是為了博取好名聲,而是實實在在地,只有他的身體停留、居住在城邦之中;至於他的心智,則認定這一切都是渺小、無足輕重的,加以輕視,隨即(如品達所言)四處飛翔,或用幾何測量地底與地表的種種,或以天文學研究天上的事物,探求萬有中每一個整體事物的全部本性,從不曾使自己俯就於身邊近處的任何事物。」
'What has happened well or ill in the city, or what evil has come upon someone from his forebears, whether on the father's or the mother's side, escapes him more than the proverbial "grains of sand" by the sea. And he does not even know that he does not know all these things; for he does not hold himself apart from them for the sake of gaining a good reputation, but in truth it is only his body that lies and dwells in the city, while his mind, judging all these matters to be small and worthless, disdains them and flies off everywhere, as Pindar says — surveying, in geometry, the things beneath the earth and the things upon its surface, studying the heavens above in astronomy, and searching out the entire nature of each and every thing that exists in its wholeness, never once lowering itself to anything near at hand.'
12:29.4
Πῶς τοῦτο λέγεις, ὢ Σώκρατες; Ὥσπερ καὶ Θαλῆν ἀστρονομοῦντα, ὠ Θεόδωρε, καὶ ἄνω βλέποντα, πεσόντα εἰς φρέαρ Θρᾷττά τ ἲς ἐμμελὴς καὶ χαρίεσσα θεραπαινὶς ἀποσκῶψαι λέγεται, ὡς τὰ μὲν ἐν οὐρανῷ προθυμοῖτο εἰδέναι, τὰ δὲ ἔμπροσθεν αὐτοῦ καὶ παρὰ πόδας λανθάνοι αὐτόν
「你這話是什麼意思呢,蘇格拉底?」「就好比泰勒斯觀測星象時,哦,忒奧多洛啊,抬頭仰望天空,據說竟因此掉進了一口井裡;而據說有一位機智又討人喜愛的色雷斯婢女,還藉此嘲笑他,說他一心只想知道天上的事,眼前腳下的東西卻反倒被他忽略了。」
'What do you mean by this, Socrates?' 'Just as, when Thales was studying the stars, O Theodorus, and gazing upward, he is said to have fallen into a well; and a witty and charming Thracian serving-girl is said to have mocked him for it, saying that he was eager to know the things in the sky, but that the things right before him and at his feet escaped his notice.'
12:29.5
ταὐτὸν δὲ ἀρκεῖ σκῶμμα ἐπὶ πάντας ὅσοι ἐν φιλοσοφίᾳ διάγουσι. τῷ γὰρ ὄντι τὸν τοιοῦτον ὁ μὲν πλησίον καὶ ὁ γείτων λέληθεν, οὐ μόνον ὅ τι πράττει, ἀλλ ὀλίγου καὶ εἰ ἄνθρωπός ἐστιν ἤ τι ἄλλο θρέμμα. τί δέ ποτ ἐστὶν ἄνθρωπος, καὶ τί τῇ τοιαύτῃ φύσει προσήκει διάφορον τῶν ἄλλων ποιεῖν ἢ πάσχειν, ζητεῖ τε καὶ πράγματα ἔχει διερευνώμενος. μανθάνεις γάρ που, ὠ Θεόδωρε, ἢ οὔ
這同一句嘲笑,用在一切以哲學為業的人身上都夠貼切。因為說實在的,這樣的人竟連近鄰隔壁在做什麼都渾然不覺,甚至幾乎不知道對方究竟是人還是別的什麼動物。至於人是什麼,這樣的本性理當做什麼、承受什麼與其他事物有別,他卻苦苦追尋、費心探究。你多少明白這一點吧,特奧多羅,還是不明白?
The same jibe suffices for all who spend their lives in philosophy. For in truth such a man does not notice his next-door neighbor, not only what he does, but scarcely even whether he is a human being or some other kind of creature. But what a human being is, and what it befits such a nature to do or to suffer that is different from other things, this he seeks out and troubles himself investigating. You understand this, I think, Theodorus, or do you not?
12:29.6
Ἔγωγε, καὶ ἀληθῆ λέγεις. Τοιγάρτοι, ὠ φίλε, ἰδίᾳ τε συγγιγνόμενος ὁ τοιοῦτος ἑκάστῳ καὶ δημοσίᾳ, ὅπερ ἀρχόμενος ἔλεγον, ὅταν ἐν δικαστηρίῳ ἤ που ἄλλοθι ἀναγκασθῇ περὶ τῶν παρὰ πόδας καὶ τῶν ἐν ὀφθαλμοῖς διαλέγεσθαι, γέλωτα παρέχει οὐ μόνον Θρᾴτταις, ἀλλὰ καὶ τῷ ἄλλῳ ὄχλῳ, εἰς φρέατά τε καὶ πᾶσαν ἀπορίαν ἐμπίπτων ὑπὸ ἀπειρίας, καὶ ἡ ἀσχημοσύνη δεινὴ, δόξαν ἀβελτερίας παρεχομένη
「我明白,你說的沒錯。」「所以啊,朋友,這樣的人,不論私下與人相處,或是在公眾場合——正如我一開始所說——每當他在法庭上或別的地方,被迫談論眼前腳下的事情時,不但讓色雷斯婢女發笑,也讓其餘群眾發笑;他因缺乏經驗,動輒掉進井裡,陷入各種窘境,那種笨拙十分駭人,給人一副呆頭呆腦的印象。」
"I do indeed, and what you say is true." "Therefore, my friend, such a man, meeting each person both privately and publicly — as I was saying when I began — whenever he is compelled in a law-court or somewhere else to discourse on the things at his feet and before his eyes, provides laughter not only to Thracian serving-girls but to the rest of the crowd as well, falling into wells and every kind of perplexity through his inexperience; and his awkwardness is dreadful, giving an impression of stupidity."
12:29.7
ἴν τε γὰρ ταῖς λοιδορίαις ἴδιον ἔχει οὐδὲν οὐδένα λοιδορεῖν, ἅτε οὐκ εἰδὼς κακὸν οὐδὲν οὐδενὸς ἐκ τοῦ μὴ μεμελετηκέναι· ἀπορῶν οὖν γελοῖος φαίνεται· ἔν τε τοῖς ἐπαίνοις καὶ ταῖς τᾶν ἄλλων μεγαλαυχίαις οὐ προσποιήτως, ἀλλὰ τῷ ὄντι γελῶν ἔνδηλος γιγνόμενος ληρώδης δοκεῖ εἶναι
「因為在互相辱罵的場合,他沒有一句自己的話可以拿來罵人,只因他從未練習過,根本不知道別人有什麼惡行;於是他無言以對,顯得可笑。而在別人的誇讚與自吹自擂之中,他並非假裝,而是真心大笑,而且顯而易見,看起來便像個傻子。」
"For in matters of abuse he has nothing of his own with which to abuse anyone, since from want of practice he knows no evil of anyone; so being at a loss he appears ridiculous. And amid praises and the boastful vaunting of others, laughing not in pretense but in real earnest, and being plainly seen to do so, he seems to be a simpleton."
12:29.8
τύραννόν τε γὰρ ἢ βασιλέα ἐγκωμιαξόμενον ἔνα τῶν νομέων, οἷον συβώτην ἢ ποιμένα ἤ τινα βουκόλον, ἡγεῖται ἀκούειν εὐδαιμονιζόμενον πολὺ βδάλλοντα· δυσκολώτερον δὲ ἐκείνων ζῷον καὶ ἐπιβουλότερον ποιμαίνειν τε καὶ βδάλλειν νομίζει αὐτούς·
「因為當他聽見有人稱頌某位僭主或君王,把他說成眾牧人之一——好比豬倌、牧羊人或牧牛人——他以為自己聽到的,不過是有人在恭賀某人擠得一手好奶,享盡福分;然而他認為,這些人所牧養、所擠奶的對象,比起那些牲畜,脾氣更難駕馭,心機也更為叵測。」
"For when he hears a tyrant or a king extolled as one of the herdsmen — a swineherd, say, or a shepherd, or some cowherd — he supposes he is hearing someone congratulated on happiness for milking a great deal; yet he reckons that the creature such men tend and milk is far more difficult to manage and more prone to treachery than those animals."
12:29.9
ἄγροικον δὲ καὶ ἀπαίδευτον ὑπὸ ἀσχολίας οὐδὲν ἧττον τῶν νομέων τὸν τοιοῦτον ἀναγκαῖον γίγνεσθαι, σηκὸν ἐν ὄρει τὸ τεῖχος περιβεβλημένον. γῆς δὲ ὅταν μυρία πλέθρα ἢ ἔτι πλείω ἀκούσῃ, ὅστις ἄρα κεκτημένος θαυμαστὰ πλήθη κέκτηται, πάνσμικρα δοκεῖ ἀκούειν, εἰς ἅπασαν εἰωθὼς τὴν γῆν βλέπειν
「而這樣的人,由於忙於瑣務,勢必變得如牧人一般粗野無文,恰似山坡上圈著牆的羊欄。每當他聽說某人擁有一萬普勒特隆、甚至更多的土地,因而以為那是驚人的財富,這在他聽來卻覺得實在渺小,因為他向來習慣放眼整個大地。」
"And that such a man, through lack of leisure, must become no less rustic and uneducated than the herdsmen, penned like sheep within a wall on a mountainside. And when he hears that someone possesses ten thousand plethra of land, or even more, and so has acquired a marvelous quantity, it strikes him as altogether trifling to hear, accustomed as he is to look upon the whole earth."
12:29.10
τὰ δὲ δὴ γένη ὑμνούντων, ὡς γενναῖός τις ἑπτὰ πάππους πλουσίους ἔχων ἀποφῆναι, παντάπασιν ἀμβλὺ καὶ ἐπὶ σμικρὸν ὁρώντων ἡγεῖται τὸν ἔπαινον, ὑπὸ ἀπαιδευσίας οὐ δυναμένων εἰς τὸ πᾶν ἀεὶ βλέπειν, οὐδὲ λογίζεσθαι ὅτι πάππων καὶ προγόνων μυριάδες ἑκάστῳ γεγόνασιν ἀναρίθμητοι, ἐν αἷς πλούσιοι καὶ πτωχοὶ καὶ βασιλεῖς καὶ δοῦλοι βάρβαροί τε Ἕλληνες πολλάκις μυρίοι γεγόνασιν ὁτῳοῦν, ἀλλ ἐπὶ πέντε καὶ εἴκοσι καταλόγῳ προγόνων σεμνυνομένων, ἢ καὶ ἀναφερόντων εἰς Ἡρακλέα τὸν Ἀμφιτρύωνος, ἄτοπα αὐτῷ καταφαίνεται τῆς σμικρολογίας, ὅτι δὲ ὁ ἀπ Ἀμφιτρύωνος εἰς τὸ ἄνω πεντεκαιεικοστὸς τοιοῦτος ἢν, οἴα συνέβαινεν αὐτῷ τύχῃ, καὶ ὁ πεντηκοστὸς ἀπ αὐτοῦ γελᾷ, οὐ δυναμένων λογίζεσθαί τε καὶ χαυνότητα ἀνοήτου ψυχῆς ἀπαλλάττειν
「至於那些歌頌家世的人,說某人有七位富有的祖父便自稱貴族,在他看來,這種讚美實在遲鈍,眼光短淺,只因缺乏教養,才無法時時放眼整體,也從未想過:每個人的祖先與先人,經無數代累積早已多得數不清,其中富人窮人、君王奴隸、蠻族希臘人,任何人的祖先裡都曾反覆出現千百次;然而世人卻只列出二十五代祖先便沾沾自喜,甚至上溯到安菲特律翁之子赫拉克勒斯,這種斤斤計較在他看來荒誕不經——因為從安菲特律翁往上數第二十五代的那位祖先,不過是命運湊巧造就的模樣,而從他往下數第五十代的人卻對此嗤笑不已,正因他們無法計算清楚,也無法擺脫愚昧心靈的這種虛驕。」
"And as for those who sing the praises of lineage, saying that so-and-so is noble because he can point to seven wealthy grandfathers, he considers their praise altogether dull and short-sighted, since through lack of culture they cannot ever look to the whole, nor reckon that everyone has had countless myriads of grandfathers and forebears, among whom rich and poor, kings and slaves, barbarians and Greeks, have occurred by the thousand for anyone whomever; yet when men pride themselves on a list of five-and-twenty ancestors and trace their line back to Heracles the son of Amphitryon, the pettiness of it strikes him as absurd — that the twenty-fifth ancestor back from Amphitryon was whatever fortune happened to make him, and likewise the fiftieth from him, and he laughs at such people for being unable to reckon and to rid their foolish souls of this vanity."
12:29.11
ἐν ἅπασι δὴ τούτοις ὁ τοιοῦτος ὑπὸ τῶν πολλῶν καταγελᾶται, τὰ μὲν ὑπερηφάνως ἔχων, ὡς δοκεῖ, τὰ δ ἐν ποσὶν ἀγνοῶν τε καὶ ἐν ἑκάστοις ἀπορῶν. Παντάπασι τὰ γιγνόμενα λέγεις, ὠ Σώκρατες
「在這一切事上,這樣的人都會遭眾人嘲笑,在旁人看來,他似乎故作高傲,其實卻對眼前腳下之事一無所知,事事都手足無措。」「你所說的,正是實際發生的情形,蘇格拉底。」
"In all these matters, then, such a man is laughed at by the many, seeming to some to hold himself haughtily, while in fact being ignorant of what lies at his feet and at a loss in every particular." "You describe exactly what happens, Socrates."
12:29.12
Ὅταν δέ γε τινὰ αὐτὸς, ὦ φίλε, ἑλκύσῃ ἄνω, καὶ ἐθελήσῃ τις αὐτῷ ἐκβῆναι ἐκ τοῦ, τί ἐγώ σε ἀδικῶ ἢ σὺ ἐμέ,. εἰς σκέψιν αὖ τῆς δικαιοσύνης τε καὶ ἀδικίας, τί τε ἑκάτερον αὐτοῖν καὶ τί τῶν πάντων ἢ ἀλλήλων διαφέρετον, ἢ ἐκ τοῦ εἰ βασιλεὺς εὐδαίμων κεκτημένος τε αὖ πολὺ χρυσίον, ἢ βασιλείας πέρι καὶ ἀνθρωπίνης ὅλως εὐδαιμονίας καὶ ἀθλιότητος ἐπίσκεψιν, ποίω τέ τινε ἐστὸν καὶ τίνα τρόπον ἀνθρώπου φύσει προσήκει τὸ μὲν κτήσασθαι αὐτοῖν, τὸ δὲ ἀποφυγεῖν· περὶ πάντων τούτων ὅταν αὖ δέῃ λόγον διδόναι τὸν σμικρὸν ἐκεῖνον τὴν ψυχὴν καὶ δριμὺν καὶ δικανικὸν, πάλιν αὖ ἀντίστροφα ἀποδίδωσιν· ἰλιγγιῶν τε ἀπὸ ὑψηλοῦ κρεμασθεὶς καὶ βλέπων μετέωρος ἄνωθεν ὑπὸ ἀηθείας ἀδημονῶν τε καὶ ἀπορῶν καὶ βαρβαρίζων γέλωτα Θρᾴτταις μὲν οὐ παρέχει, οὐδ ἄλλῳ ἀπαιδεύτῳ οὐδενὶ, οὐ γὰρ αἰσθάνονται, τοῖς δ ἐναντίως ἢ ὡς ἀνδραπόδοις τραφεῖσι πᾶσιν
「然而,朋友,每當這樣的人親自把某人往上牽引,而那人也願意從『我究竟如何虧負你,或你如何虧負我』這類問題中抽身,轉而去省察正義與不義本身是什麼,二者彼此、以及與其他一切事物有何差異;又或者從『某位君王是否幸福,且擁有大量黃金』這類問題,轉而探討王權本身、以及人類幸福與苦難整體究竟是怎樣一回事,二者各是何種性質,人的本性又該以何種方式取得其一、逃避其二——每當就這一切必須交代清楚時,那個心胸狹小、口舌尖銳、慣於訴訟的人,這回卻反過來吃了大虧:他懸在高處,暈頭轉向,向下俯視,因不習慣而惶惑失措、進退失據,說起話來語無倫次,這時發笑的既不是色雷斯婢女,也不是其他無知之人——因為他們感覺不出來——而是一切自幼所受教養與奴僕恰恰相反的人。」
"But whenever, my friend, such a man himself draws someone upward, and that person is willing to leave off asking 'in what way do I wrong you, or you me,' and turn instead to examine justice and injustice themselves — what each of them is, and how they differ from everything else and from one another — or to pass from asking whether a king is happy, possessing besides much gold, to an inquiry into kingship itself and into human happiness and misery in general, of what sort each is, and in what manner it befits human nature to obtain the one and escape the other — whenever, concerning all these matters, that small-souled, sharp-witted, litigious fellow must in his turn render an account, he pays back the reverse: growing dizzy as he hangs suspended aloft, and gazing down from on high, distressed and at a loss through unfamiliarity, and stammering barbarously, he provides laughter — not to Thracian girls, nor to any other uneducated person, for they do not perceive it, but to all who have been reared in the opposite way from slaves."
12:29.13
οὗτος δὴ ἑκατέρου τρόπος, ὠ Θεόδωρε, ὁ μὲν τῷ ὄντι ἐν ἐλευθερίᾳ τε καὶ σχολῇ τεθραμμένου, ὃν δὴ φιλόσοφον καλεῖς, ᾧ ἀνεμέσητον εὐήθει δοκεῖν καὶ οὐδενὶ εἶναι, ὅταν εἰς δουλικὰ ἐμπέσῃ διακονήματα, οἶον στρωματόδεσμον μὴ ἐπισταμένου συσκευάσασθαι, μηδὲ ὄψον ἡδῦναι, ἢ θῶπας λόγους · ὁ δ αὖ τὰ μὲν τοιαῦτα πάντα δυναμένου τορῶς τε καὶ ὀξέως διακονεῖν, ἀναβάλλεσθαι δὲ οὐκ ἐπισταμένου ἐπὶ δεξιὰ ἐλευθέρως, οὐδ ἁρμονίαν λόγων λαβόντος ὀρθῶς ὑμνῆσαι θεῶν τε καὶ ἀνδρῶν εὐδαιμόνων βίον ἀληθῆ
「這,特奧多羅,便是兩種人各自的性情:一種是真正在自由與閒暇中長大成人的,也就是你所謂的哲學家,一旦落入奴僕的雜務中——譬如不會打點行囊、不會調味佳餚、不會說幾句諂媚的話——他顯得笨拙無用,也無可厚非;另一種人雖能靈巧敏捷地做好這一切雜務,卻不懂得如何得體自如地把外袍披到右肩,如同自由人一般,也未能掌握言辭的和諧,恰如其分地頌揚諸神與有福之人真實的生活。」
"This, then, Theodorus, is the character of each: the one truly reared in freedom and leisure — whom you call a philosopher — may without blame seem simple and worthless whenever he falls into servile tasks, such as not knowing how to pack up a bedroll, or season a dish, or utter flattering speeches; while the other, capable of performing all such tasks deftly and sharply, does not know how to throw his cloak freely over his right shoulder like a gentleman, nor, having grasped the harmony of words, to hymn aright the true life of the gods and of blessed men."
12:29.14
Εἰ πάντας, ὠ Σώκρατες, πείθοις ἃ λέγεις ὥσπερ ἐμὲ, πλείων ἂν εἰρήνη καὶ κακὰ ἐλάττω κατ ἀνθρώπους εἴη. Ἀλλ οὔτ ἀπολέσθαι τὰ κακὰ δυνατὸν, ὠ Θεόδωρε· ὑπεναντίον γάρ τι τῷ ἀγαθῷ ἀεὶ εἶναι ἀνάγκη· οὔτ ἐν θεοῖς αὐτὰ ἱδρῦσθαι, τὴν δὲ θνητὴν φύσιν καὶ τόνδε τὸν τόπον περιπολεῖ ἐξ ἀνάγκης
「蘇格拉底,倘若你能像說服我一樣,把這番話說服所有人,人間必定會有更多的和平,更少的禍患。」「然而,特奧多羅,禍患是不可能被消滅的;因為必定總有某種與善對立的東西存在;禍患也不可能安置在諸神之中,它必然環繞著這必死的本性與這個地方而運行。」
"If you could persuade everyone, Socrates, of what you say, as you have persuaded me, there would be more peace and fewer evils among mankind." "But it is not possible, Theodorus, for evils to be destroyed; for there must always be something opposed to the good; nor can they have their seat among the gods, but of necessity they haunt mortal nature and this region here."
12:29.15
διὸ καὶ πειρᾶσθαι χρὴ ἐνθένδε ἐκεῖσε φεύγειν ὅτι τάχιστα. φυγὴ δὲ ὁμοίωσις θεῷ κατὰ τὸ δυνατόν· ὁμοίωσις δὲ δίκαιον καὶ ὅσιον μετὰ φρονήσεως γενέσθαι. ἀλλὰ γὰρ, ὠ ἄριστε, οὐ πάνυ τι ῥᾴδιον πεῖσαι ὡς ἄρα οὐχ ὧν ἕνεκα οἶ πολλοί φασι δεῖν πονηρίαν μὲν φεύγειν, ἀρετὴν δὲ διώκειν, τούτων χάριν τὸ μὲν ἐπιτηδευτέον, τὸ δ οὒ, ἔνα δὴ μὴ κακὸς καὶ ἵνα ἀγαθὸς δοκῆ εἶναι
「因此,人應當盡快設法從此地逃往彼處。所謂逃離,就是盡可能地效法神;而所謂效法,就是憑智慧成為公正、聖潔的人。然而,最優秀的朋友啊,要說服人相信:修習其一、捨棄其二,並不是為了眾人所說的那個緣故——為了不顯得壞、而顯得好,才該躲避邪惡、追求德行——這實在不太容易。」
"Therefore one must try to flee from here to there as quickly as possible. And flight is likeness to God so far as is possible; and likeness is to become just and holy with understanding. But indeed, my excellent friend, it is not at all easy to persuade men that it is not for the reasons the many give — namely that one should shun wickedness and pursue virtue for the sake of not seeming bad and seeming good — that one ought to practice the one and not the other."
12:29.16
ταῦτα μὲν γάρ ἐστιν ὁ λεγόμενος γραῶν ὕθλος, ὧς ἐμοὶ φαίνεται· τὸ δὲ ἀληθὲς ὧδε λέγομεν. θεὸς οὐδαμή οὐδαμῶς ἄδικος, ἀλλ ὡς οἷόν τε δικαιότατος, καὶ οὐκ ἐστιν αὐτῷ ὁμοιότερον οὐδὲν ἢ ὃς ἂν ἡμῶν αὖ γένηται ὅτι δικαιότατος. περὶ τούτου καὶ ἡ ὡς ἀληθῶς δεινότης ἀνδρὸς καὶ ἡ οὐδένειά τε καὶ ἡ ἀνανδρία
「這些話正是所謂老太婆的閒言碎語,在我看來是如此;至於真理,我們卻是這樣說的:神無論如何、絕不會不義,反倒盡可能地至為公正;沒有什麼比我們當中誰若成為至公至義之人,更相似於神了。真正的才智為何、無用與無能又為何,正是要就此而論。」
"For this is what is called old wives' prattle, so it seems to me; but the truth we state thus: God is in no way, in no manner, unjust, but as just as it is possible to be, and nothing is more like him than whoever among us in turn becomes most just. It is concerning this that the true cleverness of a man consists, as well as his worthlessness and unmanliness."
12:29.17
ἡ μὲν γὰρ τούτου γνῶσις σοφία καὶ ἀρετὴ ἀληθινὴ, ἡ δὲ ἄγνοια ἀμαθία καὶ κακία ἐναργής· αἱ δ ἄλλαι δεινότητές νότητές τε δοκοῦσαι καὶ σοφίαι ἐν μὲν πολιτικαῖς δυναστείαις γιγνόμεναι φορτικαὶ, ἐν δὲ τέχναις βάναυσοι. τῷ οὖν ἀδικοῦντι καὶ ἀνόσια λέγοντι ἢ πράττοντι μακρῷ ἄριστ ἔχει τὸ μὴ συγχωρεῖν δεινῷ ὑπὸ πανουργίας εἶναι
「因為認識這個,才是智慧與真實的德行;不認識它,則是愚昧與昭然若揭的邪惡。至於其他那些看似高明的機巧與智慧,在政治權術中顯得庸俗鄙陋,在技藝之中則顯得粗劣不堪。因此,對於行不義、言行不虔的人,最好的辦法莫過於絕不承認他因奸猾而顯得高明。」
"For the knowledge of this is wisdom and true virtue, while ignorance of it is folly and manifest vice; the other so-called forms of cleverness and wisdom, when found in political power, are vulgar, and in the arts, base. For the man who does wrong and speaks or does unholy things, therefore, it is by far best not to grant that he is clever by reason of his villainy."
12:29.18
ἀγάλλονται γὰρ τῷ ὀνείδει, καὶ οἴονται ἀκούειν ὅτι οὐ λῆροί εἰσι, γῆς ἄλλως ἄχθη ἀλλ ἄνδρες οἵους δεῖ ἐν πόλει τοὺς σωθησομένους. λεκτέον οὖν τἀληθὲς, ὅτι τοσούτῳ μᾶλλόν εἰσιν οἷοι οὐκ οἴονται, ὅτι οὐχὶ οἴονται. ἀγνοοῦσι γὰρ ζημίαν ἀδικίας, ὃ δεῖ ἥκιστα ἀγνοεῖν. οὐ γάρ ἐστιν ἣν δοκοῦσι, πληγαί τε καὶ θάνατοι, ὧν ἐνίοτε πάσχουσιν οὐδὲν ἀδικοῦντες, ἀλλὰ ἣν ἀδύνατον ἐκφυγεῖν
「因為他們反倒以這種責難為榮,以為聽見的是自己並非蠢材,並非白白佔據土地的廢物,而是城邦得以存續所倚賴的那種人物。所以必須說出真相:他們正因為不這樣以為,反而更加成為他們自己所不承認的那種人。因為他們對不義的懲罰渾然不知,而這正是最不該不知道的事。那懲罰並非他們所以為的鞭笞與處死——這些有時連無辜之人也會遭受——而是那無從逃避的懲罰。」
"For they glory in the reproach, and imagine they are being told that they are no fools, no idle burdens on the earth, but the very men a city needs to preserve itself. So the truth must be told: they are all the more what they do not think themselves to be, precisely because they do not think it. For they are ignorant of the penalty of injustice, of which one ought least of all to be ignorant. For it is not what they suppose — beatings and executions, which sometimes befall even those who do no wrong — but a penalty that is impossible to escape."
12:29.19
Τίνα δὴ λέγεις; Παραδειγμάτων, ὠ φίλε, ἐν τῷ ὄντι ἑστώτων, τοῦ μὲν θείου εὐδαιμονεστάτου, τοῦ δὲ ἀθέου ἀθλιωτάτου, οὐχ ὁρῶντες ὅτι οὕτως ἔχει, ὑπὸ ἠλιθιότητός τε καὶ τῆς ἐσχάτης ἀνοίας λανθάνουσι τῷ μὲν ὁμοιούμενοι διὰ τὰς ἀδίκους πράξεις, τῷ δὲ ἀνομοιούμενοι· οὑ δὴ τίνουσι δίκην, ζῶντες τὸν εἰκότα βίον ᾧ ὁμοιοῦνται
「你所指的是什麼?」「朋友啊,實際存在著兩種典範:一種神聖而至福,一種棄神而至苦;他們看不出事實正是如此,由於愚蠢與極度的無知,竟渾然不覺自己因不義之舉而日漸肖似後者、卻與前者漸行漸遠;因此他們必受懲罰,過著與自己所肖似之物相稱的生活。」
"What do you mean?" "There stand set up in reality, my friend, two patterns: the one divine and most blessed, the other godless and most wretched; and not seeing that this is so, through folly and utter senselessness they fail to notice that by their unjust deeds they are growing like the one and unlike the other; and for this indeed they pay the penalty, living the life that corresponds to what they resemble."
12:29.20
ἂν δὲ εἴπωμεν ὅτι, ἂν μὴ ἀπαλλαγῶσι τῆς δεινότητος, καὶ τελευτήσαντας αὐτοὺς ἐκεῖνος μὲν ὁ τῶν κακῶν καθαρὸς τόπος οὐ δέξεται, ἐνθάδε δὲ τὴν αὑτοῖς ὁμοιότητα διαγωγῆς ἀεὶ ἕξουσι, κακοὶ κακοῖς συνόντες, ταῦτα δὴ καὶ παντάπασιν ὡς δεινοὶ καὶ πανοῦργοι ἀνοήτων τινῶν ἀκούσονται
「倘若我們對他們說:除非他們擺脫這種所謂的高明,否則即便死後,那潔淨無惡的地方也不會接納他們,他們在此地將永遠過著與自己相似的生活,惡人與惡人相伴——他們既然全然無知,聽了這話,只會當成是某些無知之人的胡言,仍舊自以為十分高明、十分奸巧。」
"And if we tell them that, unless they rid themselves of this so-called cleverness, that place which is pure of evils will not receive them even when they die, but here they will forever keep the manner of life resembling their own — evil men consorting with evil men — they, being altogether senseless, will hear this as though it were spoken by some foolish people, and will go on believing themselves altogether clever and cunning."
12:29.21
Καὶ μάλα δὴ, ὠ Σώκρατες. Οἶδά τοι, ὠ ἑταῖρε. ἓν μέντοι τι αὐτοῖς συμβέβηκεν, ὅταν ἰδίᾳ λόγον δέῃ δοῦναί τε καὶ δέξασθαι περὶ ὧν ψέγουσι, καὶ ἐθελήσωσιν ἀνδρικῶς πολὺν χρόνον ὑπομεῖναι, καὶ μὴ ἀνάνδρως φυγεῖν, τότε ἀτόπως, ὦ δαιμόνιε, τελευτῶντες οὐκ ἀρέσκουσιν αὐτοὶ αὑτοῖς περὶ ὧν λέγουσι, καὶ ἡ ῥητορικὴ ἐκείνη πως ἀπομαραίνεται, ὥστε παίδων μηδὲν δοκεῖν διαφέρειν
「的確如此,蘇格拉底。」「我很清楚,朋友。然而有一件事總會臨到他們身上:每當私下必須就他們所指摘之事交代、答辯,並且他們願意堅忍持久、拿出男子氣概,不像懦夫那樣臨陣退縮時,這時,怪哉,尊貴的朋友,到頭來他們竟對自己所說的話感到不滿,那套辯才不知怎地便逐漸枯萎凋零,以致與孩童無異。」
"Quite so indeed, Socrates." "I know it well, my friend. Yet one thing does happen to them: whenever in private they must give and receive an account concerning the very things they disparage, and are willing to hold out manfully for a long while, not fleeing in cowardice, then, strange to say, my good sir, in the end they are not pleased with themselves over what they have said, and that rhetoric of theirs somehow withers away, so that it seems no better than a child's."
12:30.1
Καὶ παρ ἡμῖν περὶ πάσης τῆς ἐν ἀνθρώποις σοφιστείας εἴρηται ἡ γὰρ σοφία τοῦ κόσμου τούτου μωρία παρὰ τῷ θεῷ ἐστί. γέγραπται γὰρ, ἀπολῶ τὴν σοφίαν τῶν σοφῶν, καὶ τὴν σύνεσιν τῶν συνετῶν ἀθετήσω. ποῦ σοφός; ποῦ γραμματεύς; ποῦ συζητητὴς τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου
我們這邊論及一切人間的詭辯智術,也曾這樣說過:因為這世界的智慧,在神看來是愚拙。經上記著說:「我要滅絕智慧人的智慧,廢棄聰明人的聰明。智慧人在哪裡?文士在哪裡?這世代的辯士在哪裡?」
And among us too it has been said concerning all human sophistry: for the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the understanding of the prudent I will set aside. Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age?"
12:30.2
ἀλλὰ καὶ περὶ τοῦ δεῖν μηδὲν σμικρολόγον φρονεῖν τοὺς κατὰ θεὸν φιλοσοφοῦντας διδασκόμεθα ἐν οἷς εἴρηται σκοπούντων ἡμῶν οὐ τὰ βλεπόμενα, ἀλλὰ τὰ μὴ βλεπόμενα· τὰ γὰρ βλεπόμενα πρόσκαιρα, τὰ δὲ μὴ βλεπόμενα αἰώντα
我們也蒙教導:那些按神而生活的哲人,不該存有絲毫瑣屑計較之心,正如經上所說:「我們原不是顧念所見的,乃是顧念所不見的;因為所見的是暫時的,所不見的是永遠的。」
But we are also taught that those who philosophize according to God should think nothing petty, in the passage where it is said: "while we look not at the things that are seen, but at the things that are not seen; for the things that are seen are temporary, but the things that are not seen are eternal."
12:30.3
καὶ περὶ τοῦ τὴν κακίαν περὶ γῆν καὶ τὸν θνητὸν βίον εἰλεῖσθαί φησί που ὁ θεῖος λόγος ἐξαγοραζόμενοι τὸν καιρὸν, ὅτι αἱ ἡμέραι πονηραί εἰσι. καὶ ἀρκετὸν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ ἡ κακία αὐτῆς. λέγει δὲ καὶ ὁ προφήτης ἀρὰ καὶ κλοπὴ καὶ μοιχεία καὶ φόνος κέχυται ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, καὶ αἵματα ἐφ αἵμασι μίσγουσι
而關於邪惡纏繞著大地與必死之人生這件事,神聖的話語某處這樣說:「要把握時機,因為現今的世代邪惡」,又說「一天的難處一天當就夠了」。先知也說:「咒詛、偷竊、姦淫、殺人,遍滿了地上,血流相接。」
And concerning the fact that wickedness revolves about the earth and mortal life, the divine word somewhere says, "redeeming the time, because the days are evil," and "sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." And the prophet also says, "cursing and theft and adultery and murder are poured out upon the earth, and they mingle blood with blood."
12:30.4
περὶ δὲ τοῦ φεύγειν ἐνθένδε παρὰ τὸν θεὸν φησὶν ὁ Μώσης ὀπίσω κυρίου τοῦ θεοῦ σου πορεύσῃ, καὶ πρὸς αὐτὸν κολληθήσῃ. ὁ δ αὐτὸς μιμεῖσθαι τὸν θεὸν διδάσκει λέγων ἅγιοι ἔσεσθε) ὅτι κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν ἅγιός ἐστι
而關於從此地逃向神,摩西說:「你要跟從耶和華你的神,緊緊倚靠祂。」同一位摩西也教導人要效法神,說:「你們要成為聖潔,因為耶和華我們的神是聖潔的。」
And concerning fleeing from here to God, Moses says, "You shall walk after the Lord your God, and cleave to him." And the same man teaches us to imitate God, saying, "You shall be holy, because the Lord our God is holy."
12:30.5
δίκαιον δὲ καὶ ὁ Δαβὶδ τὸν θεὸν εἰδὼς ἡμᾶς τε αὐτοὺς μιμητὰς γενέσθαι παρορμῶν φησι δίκαιος κύριος, καὶ δικαιοσύνας ἠγάπησεν. ὁ δ αὐτὸς πλούτου καταφρονεῖν ἐπαίδευσε λέγων πλοῦτος ἐὰν ῥέῃ, μὴ προστίθεσθε καρδίαν. καὶμὴ φοβοῦ ὅταν πλουτήσῃ ἄνθρωπος, καὶ ὅταν πληθυνθῇ ἡ δόξα τοῦ οἴκου αὐτοῦ · ὅτι οὐκ ἐν τῷ ἀποθνήσκειν αὐτὸν λήψεται τὰ πάντα, οὐδὲ συγκαταβήσεται αὐτῷ ἡ δόξα αὐτοῦ
大衛既知道神是公義的,也勸勉我們當效法祂,便說:「耶和華是公義的,祂喜愛公義。」同一位大衛也教導人當輕看財富,說:「錢財加增,你不要放在心上。」又說:「人富足的時候,他家的榮耀增添的時候,你不要懼怕;因為他死的時候,什麼也不能帶去,他的榮耀也不能隨他下去。」
And David too, knowing God to be just and urging us to become imitators of him, says, "The Lord is righteous, and he loved righteousness." And the same man taught contempt of wealth, saying, "If riches increase, set not your heart upon them," and, "Be not afraid when a man grows rich, and when the glory of his house is increased; for when he dies he shall take nothing away, nor shall his glory go down after him."
12:30.6
ἀλλὰ μηδὲ τὰς ἐν ἀνθρώποις ἀρχὰς θαυμάζειν ἐδίδασκεν ἐν τούτοις μὴ πεποίθατε ἐπ ἄρχοντας, ἐφ υἱοὺς ἀνθρώπων, οἶς οὐκ ἔστι σωτηρία. ἐξελεύσεται τὸ πνεῦμα αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἀπελεύσεται εἰς τὴν γῆν αὐτοῦ· ἐν ἐκείνῃ τῇ ἡμέρᾳ ἀπολοῦνται πάντες οἱ διαλογισμοὶ αὐτοῦ
他也教導人不可仰仗人間的權貴,如經上所說:「你們不要倚靠君王,不要倚靠世人,他們一點不能幫助。他的氣一斷,就歸回塵土;他所打算的,當日就消滅了。」
But he taught us not even to admire the offices held among men, in these words: "Put not your trust in princes, in the sons of men, in whom there is no salvation. His spirit shall go forth, and he shall return to his earth; in that very day all his thoughts shall perish."
12:31.1
Νομοθέτης δὲ οὗ τι καὶ σμικρὸν ὄφελος, εἰ καὶ μὴ τοῦτο ἦν οὕτως ἔχον, ὡς καὶ νῦν αὐτὸ ᾕρηχ ὁ λόγος ἔχειν, εἴπερ τι καὶ ἄλλο ἐτόλμησεν ἂν ἐπ ἀγαθῷ ψεύδεσθαι πρὸς τοὺς νέους, ἔστιν ὅ τι τούτου ψεῦδος λυσιτελέστερον ἂν ἐψεύσατό ποτε καὶ δυνάμενον μᾶλλον ποιεῖν μὴ βίᾳ, ἀλλ ἑκόντας πάντας πάντα τὰ δίκαια; Καλὸν μένη ἀλήθεια, ὠ ξένε, καὶ μόνιμον· ἔοικε μὴν οὐ ῥᾴδιον εἶναι πείθειν
若一位立法者連這點用處都沒有——即便事實並非如今道理所揭示的這般——假使他曾大膽為著益處而向青年說一句謊話,那麼還有什麼謊言,能比這句更有益處,更能使眾人不是出於強迫、而是心甘情願地去做一切合乎正義的事呢?「陌生的朋友啊,真理固然美善而恆常,但看來要說服人相信它,實在不太容易。」
Would a lawgiver, then, be of even the slightest use, even if this were not so as reason has now shown it to be, if — supposing he ever dared to tell a beneficial falsehood to the young — there were any falsehood he could ever have told more profitable than this one, and better able to make everyone do all just things not by compulsion but willingly? "Truth is a noble thing, stranger, and abiding; yet it seems by no means easy to persuade men of it."
12:31.2
Μυρία δ ἂν εὕροις τοιαῦτα καὶ ἔν ταῖς Ἑβραίων γραφαῖς, ὡς ἂν περὶ θεοῦ ζηλοῦντος, ἢ ὑπνοῦντος, ἢ ὀργιζομένου, ἤ τισιν ἄλλοις ἀνθρωποπαθέσιν ἐνεχομένου ἐπ ὠφελείᾳ τῶν δεομένων τοῦ τοιοῦδε τρόπου παρειλημμένα
你在希伯來人的經文中也能找到無數類似的說法,好比談論神心懷嫉妒、或沉睡、或發怒,或陷入其他種種近乎人的情感——這類說法,是為著那些需要這種表達方式的人的益處,而被沿用下來的。
You would find countless such things also in the writings of the Hebrews, as when God is spoken of as being jealous, or sleeping, or growing angry, or subject to certain other human passions — expressions of this kind taken up for the benefit of those who have need of such a manner of speech.
12:32.1
Ἄρ οὖν ἡμῖν τά γε ἔμπροσθεν ὁμολογειται; Τοῦ πέρι; Τὸ δεῖν πάντα ἄνδρα καὶ παῖδα, ἐλεύθερον καὶ δοῦλον, θῆλύν τε καὶ ἄρρενα, καὶ ὅλῃ τῇ πόλει ὅλην τὴν πόλιν αὐτὴν ἑαυτῇ ἐπᾴδουσαν μὴ παύεσθαί ποτε ταῦτα ἅ διεληλύθαμεν, ἁμωσγέπως ἀεὶ μεταβαλλόμενα καὶ πάντως παρεχόμενα ποικιλίαν, ὥστ ἀπληστίαν εἶναί τινα τῶν ὕμνων τοῖς ᾄδουσι καὶ ἡδονήν. Πῶς δ οὐκ ἂν ὁμολογοῖτ ἂν δεῖν ταῦτα οὕτω πράττεσθαι
「那麼,方才所說的事,我們算是彼此同意了嗎?」「關於什麼?」「就是說,每一位男女、大人小孩、自由人與奴隸,都應該、而且整座城邦也應當對自己反覆詠唱,永不停止我們方才所講述的這一切——只是要不斷以某種方式加以變化,力求呈現多樣性,好讓詠唱的人對這些頌歌懷有一種無法饜足的渴望與愉悅。」「怎能不同意事情理當如此進行呢?」
"Do we then agree on what has gone before?" "Concerning what?" "That every man and child, free and slave, female and male, and the whole city addressing itself to itself as one, must never cease from these things which we have gone through, changing them somehow always and altogether producing variety, so that there arises among those who sing them a kind of insatiable desire for the hymns, and pleasure." "How could one not agree that these things should be so practiced?"
12:32.2
Καὶ ἐν τῷ πέμπτῳ δὲ τῆς Πολιτείας ὅμοια τούτοις γράφει τάδε λέγων Οἶσθά τι οὖν ὑπ ἀνθρώπων μελετώμενον, ἐν ᾧ οὐ πάντα ταῦτα τὸ τῶν ἀνδρῶν γένος διαφερόντως ἔχει ἢ τὸ τῶν γυναικῶν; ἢ μακρολογῶμεν τήν τε ὑφαντικὴν λέγοντες καὶ τὴν τῶν ποπάνων τε καὶ ἑψημάτων θεραπείαν, ἐν οἶς δή τι δοκεῖ τὸ γυναικεῖον γένος εἶναι, οὗ καὶ καταγελαστότατόν ἐστι πάμπου ἡττώμενον
他在《理想國》第五卷也寫下類似的話,這樣說:「你可知道人類所從事的種種事務中,有哪一件是男性這一類不在各方面都全面勝過女性的呢?還是我們要不厭其煩地談論織布,以及糕餅與羹湯的料理——正是在這些事上,女性這一類似乎確有幾分本領,然而若在這方面還被人比下去,卻是最可笑不過的事了。」
And in the fifth book of the Republic he writes similar things, saying as follows: "Do you know of anything practiced among men in which the male sex is not in every respect superior to the female? Or shall we speak at length of weaving, and the care of cakes and stewed dishes, in which indeed the female sex is thought to have some skill, and in which it is quite the most ridiculous of all things to be surpassed?"
12:32.3
Ἀληθῆ ἔφη, λέγεις, ὅτι πολὺ κρατεῖται ἐν ἅπασιν, ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν, τὸ γένος τοῦ γένους· γυναῖκες μέντοι πολλαὶ πολλῶν ἀνδρῶν βελτόυς εἰς πολλά· τὸ δὲ ὅλον ἔχει ὡς σὺ λέγεις. Οὐδὲν ἄρα ἐστὶν, ὠ φίλε, ἐπιτήδευμα τῶν πόλιν διοικούντων γυναικὸς διότι γυνὴ, οὐδ ἀνδρὸς, διότι ἀνὴρ, ἀλλ ὁμοίως διεσπαρμέναι αἶ φύσεις ἐν ἀμφοῖν τοῖν ζῴοιν, καὶ πάντων μὲν μετέχει γυνὴ ἐπιτηδευμάτων κατὰ φύσιν, πάντων δὲ ἀνὴρ, ἐπὶ πᾶσι δὲ ἀσθενέστερον γυνὴ ἀνδρός
「你說得對,」他回答道,「幾乎可以說,這一類人在各方面都遠遠不及那一類;然而許多女子在許多事情上,勝過許多男子;不過整體而言,正如你所說。」「那麼,朋友啊,管理城邦所需的種種職事,並沒有一件是因身為女子而屬於女子,也沒有一件是因身為男子而屬於男子,而是這兩種本性同樣分佈在這兩類生物身上,女子按本性能參與一切職事,男子也是如此,只是在一切事上,女子皆比男子軟弱。」
"What you say is true," he replied, "that, so to speak, the one sex is very much surpassed by the other in all things; yet many women are better than many men at many things; but on the whole it is as you say." "There is, then, my friend, no pursuit among those that administer a city that belongs to woman because she is a woman, nor to man because he is a man, but the natures are alike distributed among both these living creatures, and woman by nature shares in all pursuits, and man in all, though in every one of them woman is weaker than man."
12:32.4
Πάνυ γε. Ἤ οὖν ἀνδράσι πάντα προστάξομεν, γυναικὶ δὲ οὐδέν; Καὶ πῶς; Ἀλλ ἔστι γὰρ, οἶμαι, ὡς φήσομεν, καὶ γυνὴ ἰατρικὴ, ἡ δ οὒ, καὶ μουσικὴ, ἡ δ ἄμουσος φύσει. Τί μήν; Καὶ γυμναστικὴ δὲ ἄρα οὐδὲ πολεμικὴ, ἡ δὲ ἀπόλεμος καὶ οὐ φιλογυμναστική; Οἶμαι ἔγωγε. Τί δέ; φιλόσοφός τε καὶ μισόσοφος; καὶ θυμοειδὴς, ἡ δὲ ἄθυμός; Ἔστι καὶ ταῦτα
「的確如此。」「那麼我們是否該把一切都指派給男子,什麼也不留給女子呢?」「這怎麼可能?」「其實,我想,正如我們將要說的那樣,也有精於醫術的女子,也有不精此道的;也有精通音樂的,也有天生不通音律的。」「確實如此。」「也有精於體育、擅長武藝的女子,也有不擅武事、不喜體育的?」「我想也是。」「那麼呢?愛好智慧的與厭惡智慧的?血氣旺盛的與缺乏血氣的?」「這些也都有。」
"Quite so." "Shall we, then, assign everything to men and nothing to women?" "How could we?" "But there is, I suppose, as we shall say, a woman skilled in medicine, and one who is not; and one musical, and one unmusical by nature." "Certainly." "And is there not also one skilled in gymnastics and warlike, and one unwarlike and unfond of gymnastics?" "I think so too." "What then — one philosophic and one hating wisdom, and one spirited, and one lacking spirit?" "These too exist."
12:32.5
Ἔστιν ἄρα καὶ φυλακικὴ γυνὴ, ἡ δ οὔ· ἢ οὐ τοιαύτην καὶ τῶν ἀνδρῶν τῶν φυλακικῶν φύσιν ἐξελεξάμεθα., τοιαύτην μὲν οὖν
「那麼也有適於擔任護衛者的女子,也有不適於此的;我們挑選護衛者的男子時,不正也是這樣的天性嗎?」「正是這樣的天性。」
"There is, then, also a woman fit to be a guardian, and one who is not; or did we not select men of just such a nature to be guardians?" "Just such a nature indeed."
12:32.6
Καὶ γυναικὸς ἄρα καὶ ἀνδρὸς ἡ αὐτὴ φύσις εἰς φυλακὴν πόλεως, πλὴν ὅσῳ ἀσθενεστέρα, ἡ δὲ ἰσχυροτέρα ἐστί. Φαίνεται. Καὶ γυναῖκες ἄρα αἶ τοιαῦΟἶσθά ται τοῖς τοιούτοις ἀνδράσιν ἐκλεκτέαι συνοικεῖν τε καὶ ξυμφυλάττειν, ἐπείπερ εἰσὶν ἱκαναὶ καὶ ξυγγενεῖς αὐτοῖς τὴν φύσιν
「那麼女子與男子在守護城邦這件事上,具有相同的本性,只是一方較弱,一方較強罷了。」「看來如此。」「因此,這樣的女子理當被挑選來與這樣的男子同住、共同守護,因為她們既有能力,本性上也與他們相近。」
"Woman and man, then, have the same nature with regard to guarding the city, except in so far as the one is weaker and the other stronger." "So it appears." "And such women, then, must be chosen to live together with such men and share in guarding, since they are competent and akin to them by nature."
12:32.7
Εἰκότως ἄρα καὶ ὁ παρ ἡμῖν λόγος ὐποδέχεται Πᾶν γένος οὐ μόνον ἀνδρῶν, ἀλλὰ καὶ γυναικῶν, Οὐδ ἐλευθέρων καὶ δούλων μόνον, ἀλλὰ καὶ βαρβάρων Καὶ Ελλήνων, εἰς τὴν κατὰ θεὸν παιδείαν τε καὶ φιλοσοφίαν
因此,我們這邊的道理理所當然也接納「不但男子這一切種類,就連女子也一併接納」,「不但自由人與奴隸,就連蠻族與希臘人也一併接納」,使他們都能進入按神而立的教育與哲學之中。
Reasonably, then, our own doctrine likewise admits "every race, not only of men but also of women," "not only of the free and the enslaved, but also of barbarians and Greeks," into education and philosophy according to God.
12:33.1
Σκεψώμεθα δὴ πη τῇδε. Φέρε, εἴ τις Αἰγῶν τροφὴν καὶ τὸ ζῷον αὐτὸ, κτῆμα ὡς ἔστι Καλὶν, ἐπαινοῖ, ἄλλος δέ τις ἑωρακὼς αἶγας χωρὰς Νεμομένας αἰπόλου ἐν ἐργασίμοις χωρίοις δρώσας Κακὰ διαψέγοι, καὶ πᾶν θρέμμα ἄναρχον ἢ μετὰ κακῶν ἀρχόντων ἰδὼν οὔτων μέμφοιτο, τὸν τοιούτου ψόγον ἡγούμεθα ὐγιὲς ἄν ποτε ψέξαι καὶ ὁτιοῦν; Καὶ πῶς; Καὶ μετ ὀλίγα
讓我們就這樣來考察吧。試想:若有人稱讚養羊這件事以及羊這種動物本身,說牠是一項美好的財產;而另一人卻看見無主的山羊在耕地上任意遊蕩、造成損害,便加以指責,凡見到缺乏統轄者、或處於惡劣統轄者之下的任何牲畜,便橫加非議——我們認為這種人的指責,無論說的是什麼,會有絲毫道理嗎?「怎麼可能有呢?」再往下一點又說:
Let us then consider it in this way. Come now: if someone should praise the raising of goats, and the animal itself as a fine possession, while another, having seen goats roaming unattended and doing damage on cultivated land, should find fault with them, and should censure every creature seen to be without a ruler or under bad rulers — should we think the censure of such a man ever sound in blaming anything whatsoever? "How could we?" And a little further on:
12:33.2
Τί δὲ ἐπαινέτην ἢ ψέκτην κοινωνίας ἡστινοσοῦν, ᾗ πέφυκέ τε εἶναι ἄρχων μετ ἐκείνου τε ὠφέλιμός ἐστιν· ὁ δὲ μήτε ἑωρακὼς εἴη ποτὲ ὀρθῶς αὐτὴν ἑαυτῇ κοινωνοῦσαν μετ ἄρχοντος, ἀεὶ δὲ ἄναρχον ἢ μετὰ κακῶν ἀρχόντων ξυνοῦσαν· οἰόμεθα δή ποτε τοὺς τοιούτους θεωροὺς τῶν τοιούτων κοινωνιῶν χρηστόν τι ψέξειν ἢ ἐπαινεῖσθαι; Πῶς δ ἄν
「那麼,讚美或非議任何一種團體的人又如何呢?就那本應有統轄者、並且與那統轄者一同才有益處的團體而言,若有人從未見過它真正正確地與一位統轄者共處,而始終只見它缺乏統轄者、或在惡劣的統轄者之下相處——我們認為這樣的觀察者,對這類團體所作的非議或讚美,會有任何值得稱道之處嗎?」「又怎麼可能有呢?」
"What then of one who praises or censures any community whatsoever, of a kind naturally fitted to have a ruler, and beneficial together with that ruler — but who has never once seen it rightly sharing community with a ruler, but always either ruler-less or associating with bad rulers — do we suppose such observers of such communities will ever censure or praise anything to good purpose?" "How could they?"
12:33.3
Οὐ δὴν χρὴ καὶ παρ ἡμῖν εἴ τινες φαίνοιντο Δίχα προστάτου καὶ ἄρχοντος, ἢ μετὰ κακῶν ἀρχόντων Δρῶντες καὰ ψέγειν τὸ πᾶν ἡμῶν διδασκαλεῖον, Μᾶλλον δὲ ἀπὸ τῶν ὀρθῶς μετιόντων τὸ θεοσεβὲς Πολίτευμα θαυμάζειν
因此,即便我們當中有人看似脫離了引導者與統轄者,或是在惡劣的統轄者之下行事不當,也不應因此非議我們整個學派、整套教誨;反倒該從那些正確追隨此道的人身上,更加讚歎這敬神的政體。
It is not right, then, that if some among us should appear apart from a leader and ruler, or acting ill under bad rulers, our whole school should on this account be blamed; rather, one should the more admire, on the strength of those who rightly pursue it, this God-fearing commonwealth.
12:34.1
Ἐν ταῖς Παροιμίαις Σολομῶνος συντόμως φερομένου τοῦ μνήμη δικαίων μετ ἐγκωμίων, ὄνομα δὲ ἀσεβῶν σβέννυται · καὶ πάλιν εἰρημένου τοῦ μὴ μακαρίσῃς ἄνδρα πρὸ τελευτῆς αὐτοῦ, ἐπάκουσον ὅπως τὴν διάνοιαν ἑρμηνεύει λέγων ὁ Πλάτων ἐν τῷ ἑβδόμῳ τῶν Νόμων·
所羅門在《箴言》中簡潔地說:「義人的紀念被稱頌,惡人的名字卻要朽爛。」又說:「人未死之前,不可稱他有福。」且聽柏拉圖在《法律篇》第七卷中,是如何闡釋這層意思的:
In the Proverbs of Solomon it is briefly said, "The memory of the just is accompanied with praises, but the name of the impious is extinguished"; and again it is said, "Call no man blessed before his death." Hear how Plato interprets this thought, saying in the seventh book of the Laws:
12:34.2
Τῶν πολιτῶν ὁπόσοι τέλος ἔχοιεν τοῦ βίου κατὰ σώματα ἢ κατὰ ψυχὰς ἔργα ἐξειργασμένοι καλὰ καὶ ἐπίπονα καὶ τοῖς νόμοις εὐπειθεῖς γεγονότες, ἐγκωμίων αὐτοὺς τυγχάνειν πρέπον ἂν εἴη. Πῶς δ οὔ
「凡是公民中,那些已走完人生道路、無論在身體或靈魂上都完成了美好而艱辛的功業、又順服法律的人,理當獲得讚頌。」「豈有不然?」
"Of the citizens, as many as have reached the end of life, having accomplished noble and toilsome deeds either of body or of soul, and having been obedient to the laws, it would be fitting for them to obtain praises." "How could it be otherwise?"
12:34.3
Τούς γε μὴν ἔτι ζῶντας ἐγκωμίοις τε καὶ ὕμνοις τιμᾶν οὐκ ἀσφαλὲς, πρὶν ἂν ἅπαντά τις τὸν βίον διαδραμὼν τέλος ἐπιστήσηται καλόν. ταῦτα δὲ πάντα ἡμῖν ἔστω κοινὰ ἀνδράσι τε καὶ γυναιξὶν ἀγαθοῖς καὶ ἀγαθαῖς διαφανῶς γενομένοις
「但要以讚頌與頌歌來尊崇仍然在世的人,卻並不穩妥,除非等到有人走完整個人生歷程,為自己立下一個美好的結局。這一切,讓我們把它們定為男女雙方所共有,凡是顯然證明自己良善的男子與女子皆然。」
"Yet to honor with praises and hymns those who are still living is not safe, before one has run the whole course of life and set upon it a noble end. Let all these things be common to us, both to men and to women who have manifestly proved good."
12:35.1
Πλοῦτον δὲ καὶ πενίαν μή μοι δῷς, τοῦ Σολομῶνος φήσαντος ἐν Παροιμίαις ὁ Πλάτων ἐν δ Πολιτείας φησίν Ἕτερα δὲ, ὡς ἔοικε, τοῖς φύλαξιν εὑρήκαμεν, ἃ παντὶ τρόπῳ φυλακτέον ὅπως μή ποτε αὐτοὺς λήσῃ εἰς τὴν πόλιν παραδύντα. τὰ ποῖα ταῦτα; Πλοῦτός τε, ἦν δ ἐγὼ, καὶ πενία· ὡς τοῦ μὲν τρυφὴν καὶ ἀργίαν καὶ νεωτερισμὸν ἐμποιοῦντος, τῆς δ ἀνελευθερίαν καὶ κακοεργίαν πρὸς τῷ νεωτερισμῷ. Κακοεργία δέ ἐστι πᾶσα πρᾶξις ἄτιμος
所羅門在《箴言》中說:「求你不要使我貧窮,也不要使我富足」;柏拉圖在《理想國》第四卷則說:「看來我們還為護衛者發現了另一些事,必須千方百計加以防範,免得它們在不知不覺間潛入城邦之中。」「那是些什麼呢?」「財富,」我說,「與貧窮;財富滋生奢靡、怠惰與求新求變,貧窮則除了求新求變之外,還滋生卑陋與惡行。」「而惡行就是一切不名譽的行為。」
"Give me neither riches nor poverty," says Solomon in the Proverbs; and Plato, in the fourth book of the Republic, says: "We have found other things too, it seems, for the guardians, which must be guarded against in every way, lest they escape notice and slip into the city." "What are these?" "Wealth," I said, "and poverty; the one breeding luxury, idleness, and revolution, the other, besides revolution, breeding illiberality and evil-doing." "And evil-doing is every dishonorable act."
12:36.1
Πἀλιν Μώσεως ἐν τοῖς νόμοις φάντος ἕκαστος πατέρα αὐτοῦ καὶ μητέρα φοβείσθω· καὶ, τίμα τὸν πατέρα σοῦ καὶ τὴν μητέρα σοῦ, ἵνα εὖ σοι ᾖ, καὶ ὁ Πλάτων ὁμοίως Μωσεὶ καὶ τιμὰν καὶ φοβεῖσθαι ὧδέ πως φησὶν ἐν τοῖς Νόμοις Πᾶς δὴ νοῦν ἔχων φοβεῖται καὶ τιμᾷ γονέων εὐχὰς, εἰδὼς πολλοῖς καὶ πολλάκις ἐπιτελεῖς γενομένας. Καὶ πάλιν ἐν ἑτέρῳ φησὶ Πᾶς ἡμῖν αἰδείσθω τὸν ἑαυτοῦ πρεσβύτερον ἔργῳ τε καὶ λόγῳ. τὸν δὲ προέχοντα εἴκοσιν ἡλικίας ἔτεσιν ἄρρενα ἢ θῆλυν νομίζων ὡς πατέρα ἢ μητέρα διευλαβείσθω
摩西在律法中又說:「各人都當敬畏自己的父親與母親」;又說:「當孝敬父母,使你得福。」柏拉圖也和摩西一樣,在論及孝敬與敬畏這件事上,於《法律篇》中大略這樣說:「凡有理智的人,都敬畏並尊重父母的祝願,深知這些祝願屢屢應驗在許多人身上。」他在另一處又說:「讓我們每個人都以言行敬重自己的長者;對於年長自己二十歲以上的人,無論男女,都應謹慎以待,視男者如父,視女者如母。」
Again, Moses in the laws says, "Let each man fear his father and his mother"; and, "Honor your father and your mother, that it may be well with you." And Plato likewise, agreeing with Moses both in honoring and in fearing, says somewhat as follows in the Laws: "Every man of sense fears and honors the prayers of parents, knowing that they have often, for many, been fulfilled." And again elsewhere he says: "Let each of us revere his own elder in deed and word; and let him regard with caution anyone who exceeds him by twenty years in age, male or female, thinking of him as a father or her as a mother."
12:37.1
Μώσεως ἐν τοῖς νόμοις ἀπαγορεύσαντος Ἑβραίοις Ἑβραίους δουλεύειν, καὶ φήσαντος ἐὰν κτήσῃ παῖδα Ἑβραῖον, ἒξ ἔτη δουλεύσει σοί· τῷ δὲ ἑβδόμῳ ἔτει ἐξαποστελεῖς αὐτὸν ἐλεύθερον καὶ ὁ Πλάτων ὁμοίως ἐν Πολιτείᾳ φησί Μηδὲ Ἕλληνα ἄρα δοῦλον ἐκτῆσθαι μήτε αὐτοὺς, τοῖς τε ἄλλοις Ἔλλησιν οὕτω ξυμβουλεύειν; Πάνυ μὲν οὖν, ἔφη· μᾶλλόν τ ἂν οὖν. οὕτω πρὸς βαρβάρους τρέποιντο, ἑαυτῶν δὲ ἀπέχοιντο
摩西在律法中禁止希伯來人奴役希伯來人,說:「你若買希伯來奴僕,他要服事你六年,第七年你要無條件釋放他自由。」柏拉圖在《理想國》中也同樣說:「那麼,我們是否該建議,不但他們自己不可擁有希臘籍的奴隸,也要勸告其他希臘人如此行呢?」「那是當然,」他說,「這樣他們反倒更會把矛頭轉向蠻族,而寬待自己的同胞。」
Moses in the laws forbade Hebrews to enslave Hebrews, saying, "If you acquire a Hebrew servant, he shall serve you six years; but in the seventh year you shall send him out free." And Plato likewise, in the Republic, says: "Should we then advise that neither they themselves possess a Greek slave, nor counsel other Greeks so to do?" "Quite so indeed," he said; "they would thus be all the more inclined to turn against the barbarians, and to spare their own kind."
12:38.1
Μὴ κινείτω γῆς ὅρια μηδεὶς μήτε οἰκείου πολίτου γείτονος μήτε ὁμοτέρμονος, ἐν ἐσχατιαῖς κεκτημένου ἄλλῳ ξένῳ γειτονῶν, νομίσας τὸ τὰ ἀκίνητα κινεῖν ἀληθῶς τοῦτ εἶναι. Καὶ ἐξῆς φησιν Ὅς δ ἂν ἐπεργάζηται τὰ τοῦ γείτονος, ὑπερβαίνων τοὺς ὅρους, τὸ μὲν βλάβος ἀποτινέτω, τῆς δὲ ἀναιδείας ἅμα καὶ ἀνελευθερίας ἕνεκα ἰατρευόμενος διπλάσιον τοῦ βλάβους ἄλλο ἐκτισάτω τῷ βλαφθεντι
「無論是相鄰的同鄉,或是田產與己相接、在邊界上與別的外邦人為鄰而擁有土地的人,都不可移動地界,因為要認清移動不可移動之物,正是這麼一回事。」接著他又說:「凡耕種鄰人田地、越過地界的人,應賠償所造成的損害;並且為要矯正他的無恥與卑陋,還應加倍賠償另一份給受害者。」
"Let no one move the boundaries of land, whether of a fellow citizen who is a neighbor, or of one bordering him, holding land at the extremities and neighboring some other stranger, believing that this is truly what it means to move the immovable." And next he says: "Whoever cultivates his neighbor's land, overstepping the boundaries, shall pay for the damage; and, to cure him besides of his shamelessness and illiberality, let him pay to the injured party double the damage over and above."
12:39.1
Ἑνὶ δὲ λόγῳ, πατρὸς ὀνείδη καὶ τιμωρίας παίδων μηδενὶ συνέπεσθαι, πλὴν ἐάν τις τινὶ πατὴρ καὶ πάππος καὶ πάππου πατὴρ ἐφεξῆς ὄφλωσι θανάτου δίκην
總而言之,父親的恥辱與刑罰不應波及任何子女,除非某人的父親、祖父,以及祖父的父親,一連數代都相繼犯下該處死刑的罪行。
In a word, let a father's disgrace and his children's punishments follow no one, unless a certain father, and his father before him, and that man's father in turn, should in succession incur the sentence of death.
12:40.1
Μώσεως νόμου φάντος ἐὰν κλέψῃ τις μόσχον, ἢ πρόβατον, καὶ σφάξῃ αὐτὸ, ἢ ἀποδῶται, πέντε μόσχους ἀποτίσει ἀντὶ τοῦ μόσχου, καὶ τέσσαρα πρόβατα ἀντὶ προβάτου· ἐὰν δὲ καταλειφθῇ καὶ εὑρεθῇ ἐν τῇ χειρὶ αὐτοῦ τὸ κλέμμα, ἀπὸ μόσχου καὶ ὄνου ἴως προβάτου ζῶντα διπλὰ ἀποτίσει ἐπάκουσον ὡς καὶ ὁ Πλάτων τούτοις ἕπεται λέγων Κλέπτῃ δὲ, ἐάν τε μέγα ἐάν τε μικρὸν κλέπτη τις, εἷς αὖ νόμος ἐπικείσθω καὶ μία δίκης τιμωρία σύμπασι. τὸ μὲν γὰρ δὴ κλαπὲν χρεὼν διπλάσιον πρῶτον ἐκτίνειν, ἐὰν ὄφλῃ τις τὴν τοιαύτην δίκην καὶ ἱκανὴν ἔχῃ τὴν ἄλλην οὐσίαν ἀποτίνειν ὑπὲρ τοῦ κλήρου, ἐὰν δὲ μὴ, δεδέσθαι ἴως ἂν ἐκτίσῃ ἢ πείσῃ τὸν καταδικασάμενον
摩西的律法說:「人若偷牛或羊,無論宰了或賣了,他就要以五牛賠一牛,四羊賠一羊;若被人發現,牲畜還活著在他手中,無論是牛、驢,或羊,他就要加倍賠償。」且聽柏拉圖也依循此意,這樣說:「至於竊賊,無論所竊為大為小,都應對他施以同一條法律、同一種懲罰。因為凡被判定犯下此罪、又有足夠其餘財產可以償還者,首先必須加倍償還所竊之物;若非如此,則應予拘禁,直到他償清、或說服勝訴的一方為止。」
Moses' law says, "If someone steals a calf or a sheep, and slaughters it or sells it, he shall repay five calves for the calf, and four sheep for the sheep; but if the stolen thing is found alive still in his hand, he shall repay double, whether calf, donkey, or sheep." Hear how Plato too follows in these very steps, saying: "For the thief, whether he steals something great or small, let there be one law laid upon all alike, and one single penalty of justice. For the thing stolen must first be repaid twofold, if a man is convicted of such an offense and has property enough besides to pay it over and above his allotment; but if not, let him be bound until he pays it off, or persuades the one who won the judgment against him."
12:41.1
Πάλιν Μώσεως φάντος ἐὰν δὲ ἐν τῷ διορύγματι εὑρεθῇ ὁ κλέπτης καὶ πληγεὶς ἀποθάνῃ, οὐκ ἔστιν αὐτῷ φόνος, συνᾴδει κἀν τούτῳ λέγων ὁ Πλάτων Νύκτωρ φῶρα εἰς οἰκίαν ἰόντα ἐπὶ κλοπῇ χρημάτων ἐὰν ἑλὼν κτείνῃ τις, ἔστω καθαρός· καὶ ἐὰν λωποδύτην ἀμυνόμενος ἀποκτείνῃ, καθαρὸς ἔστω
摩西又說:「若賊人挖窟窿被發現,遭擊打而死,這人不算有流血之罪。」柏拉圖在這一點上也與此相合,他說:「若有人發現竊賊夜間闖入屋內偷竊財物,將他擒獲而殺死,此人應算為無罪;若有人為抵禦攔路搶劫者而將其殺死,也同樣應算為無罪。」
Again, when Moses says, "But if the thief is found breaking in, and is struck and dies, there is no bloodguilt for him," Plato agrees with this too, saying: "If someone catches a thief coming by night into a house to steal goods, and kills him, let him be clear of guilt; and if he kills a footpad in self-defense, let him likewise be clear of guilt."
12:42.1
Ἐὰν δὲ ἄρα ὑποζύγιον ἢ ζῷον ἄλλο τι φονεύσῃ τινὰ πλὴν τῶν ὅσα ἐν ἀγῶνι τῶν δημοσίᾳ τιθεμένων ἀθλεύοντά τι τοιοῦτον δράσῃ, ἐπεξίτωσαν μὲν οἶ προσήκοντες τοῦ φόνου τῷ κτείναντι, διαδικαζόνἙνὶ τῶν δὲ τῶν ἀγρονόμων οἷσιν ἂν καὶ ὁπόσοις προστάξῃ ὁ προσήκων, τὸ δὲ ὄφλον ἔξω τῶν ὅρων τῆς χώρας ἀποκτείναντας διορίσαι. Ταῦτα ὁ Πλάτων. ὁ δὲ Μώσης προλαβών φησιν ἐὰν δὲ κερατίσῃ ταῦρος ἄνδρα ἢ γυναῖκα καὶ ἀποθάηῃ, λίθοις λιθοβοληθήσεται ὁ ταῦρος, καὶ οὐ βρωθήσεται τὰ κρέα αὐτοῦ· ὁ δὲ κύριος τοῦ ταύρου ἀθῷος ἔσται
「但若是役畜或其他動物殺死了人——除非是在公開舉行的比賽中,於競技時發生此事——則死者的親屬應對殺害者提起殺人的訴訟,交由親屬所指定的若干田野官員共同裁決;判定有罪的牲畜,應處死,並將其屍體棄置於境外,以此劃清界線。」以上是柏拉圖所說的。而摩西早在此之前已說過:「牛若觝死男人或女人,這牛必被石頭打死,牠的肉也不可吃;牛的主人卻不算有罪。」
"But if a beast of burden or some other animal kills anyone — except in the case of those competing in a publicly held contest, doing such a thing while so competing — let the relatives of the slain prosecute the killer for murder, the case being apportioned among as many of the land-wardens as the relative may appoint; and let the animal found guilty be put to death and its carcass cast beyond the boundaries of the land." This is what Plato says. But Moses, having said this beforehand, says: "If a bull gores a man or a woman and he dies, the bull shall be stoned with stones, and its flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the bull shall be blameless."
12:43.1
Τῆς προφητικῆς γραφὴς λεγούσης υἱὲ ἀνθρώπου, ἰδοὺ γεγόνασί μοι ὁ οἶκος Ἰσραὴλ ἀναμεμιγμένοι πάντες χαλκῷ καὶ κασσιτέρῳ καὶ σιδήρῳ καὶ μολίβδῳ, ἐν μέσῳ καμίνου ἀργυρίου ἀναμεμιγμένοι εἰσί. διὰ τοῦτο εἰπὸν τάδε λέγει κύριος, ἀνθ ὧν ἐγένεσθε πάντες εἰς σύγκρασιν μίαν, διὰ τοῦτο ἐγὼ εἰσδέξομαι ὑμᾶς, καθὼς εἰσδέχεται ἄργυρος καὶ χαλκὸς καὶ σίδηρος καὶ μόλιβδος καὶ κασσίτερος εἰς μέσον καμίνου, τοῦ ἐκφυσῆσαι εἰς αὐτοὺς πῦρ, τοῦ χωνευθῆναι καὶ ὁ Πλάτων ὡσαύτως ἐπάκουσον ἁ φησιν
先知的經文說:「人子啊,看哪,以色列家在我看來已成了渣滓,混雜著銅、錫、鐵、鉛,都混在爐中的銀渣裡。因此你要說,主耶和華如此說:因你們都成了渣滓,所以我必聚集你們,如同聚集銀、銅、鐵、鉛、錫到爐中一般,要吹火在其上,使你們熔化。」柏拉圖也同樣如此——且聽他怎麼說。
The prophetic scripture says: "Son of man, behold, the house of Israel has become to me all mixed with bronze and tin and iron and lead; in the midst of the furnace of silver they are mixed. Therefore say, Thus says the Lord: Because you have all become one alloy, therefore I will gather you, as silver and bronze and iron and lead and tin are gathered into the midst of a furnace, to blow fire upon them, that they may be melted." And Plato likewise — hear what he says.
12:43.2
Οὐκοῦν ἀκούετε λοιπὸν τοῦ μύθου. ἐσμὲν γὰρ δὴ πάντες οἱ ἐν τῇ πόλει ἀδελφοὶ, ὡς φήσομεν πρὸς αὐτοὺς μυθολογοῦντες, ἀλλ ὁ θεὸς πλάττων, ὅσοι μὲν ὑμῶν ἱκανοὶ ἄρχειν, χρυσὸν ἐν τῇ γενέσει ξυνέμισγεν αὐτοῖς, διότι τιμιώτατοί εἰσιν· ὅσοι δ ἐπίκουροι, ἄργυρον· σίδηρον δὲ καὶ χαλκὸν τοῖς γεωργοῖς καὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις δημιουργοῖς
那麼,你們且聽這故事的其餘部分。我們編造這神話對他們說:凡在這城邦中的人都是兄弟;但神在塑造你們時,凡你們中間有能力治理者,在其受造之時便摻入了金子,因此他們最受尊崇;凡作為輔佐者的,則摻入了銀子;至於農夫及其他工匠,則摻入了鐵和銅。
Listen, then, to the rest of the myth. We shall tell them, weaving the tale: all of you who are in the city are brothers; but the god, in fashioning you, mixed gold into the begetting of those of you who are fit to rule, wherefore they are most honored; and silver into the auxiliaries; and iron and bronze into the farmers and the other craftsmen.
12:43.3
ἅτε οὖν ξυγγενεῖς ὄντες ἅπαντες, τὸ μὲν πολὺ ὁμοίους ἂν ὑμῖν αὐτοῖς γεννῷτε, ἔστι δ ὅτε ἐκ χρυσοῦ γεννηθείη ἂν ἀργυροῦν, καὶ ἐξ ἀργυροῦ χρυσοῦν ἔκγονον, καὶ τἄλλα πάντα ἐξ ἀλλήλων οὕτως
既然你們大家都是同族,多半你們會生出與自己相似的後代;但有時金子也可能生出銀子般的後代,銀子也可能生出金子般的後代,其餘各類亦復如此,彼此互生。
Since, then, you are all akin, for the most part you would beget offspring like yourselves; yet sometimes from gold there might be born a silver offspring, and from silver a golden one, and likewise all the others from one another.
12:43.4
τοῖς οὖν ἄρχουσι καὶ πρῶτον καὶ μάλιστα παραγγέλλει ὁ θεὸς ὅπως μηδενὸς οὕτω φύλακες ἀγαθοὶ γένωνται, μηδ οὕτω σφόδρα φυλάξωσι μηδὲν ὡς τοὺς ἐκγόνους, ὅ τι αὐτοῖς τούτων ἐν ταῖς ψυχαῖς παραμέμικται, καὶ ἐὰν σφέτερος ἔκγονος ὑπόχαλκος ἢ ὑποσίδηρος γένηται, μηδενὶ τρόπῳ κατελεήσωσιν, ἀλλὰτὴν τῇ φύσει προσήκουσαν τιμὴν ἀποδιδόντες ὤσουσιν ἢ εἰς δημιουργοὺς ἢ γεωργοὺς, καὶ ἐὰν αὖ ἐκ τούτων ἢ ὑπόχρυσος ἢ ὑπάργυρος φυῇ τις, τιμήσαντες ἀνάξουσι τοὺς μὲν εἰς φυλακὴν, τοὺς δ εἰς ἐπικουρίαν, ὡς χρησμοῦ ὄντος τότε τὴν πόλιν διαφθαρῆναι, ὅταν αὐτὴν ὁ σιδηροῦς φύλαξ ἢ ὁ χαλκοῦς διαφυλάξῃ. τοῦτον οὖν τὸν μῦθον ὅπως ἂν πεισθεῖεν ἔχεις τινὰ μηχανῆν
因此,神特別且首要地吩咐統治者:對任何事物,他們都不應如此善於守護,也不應如此嚴密地守護任何東西,像守護後代那樣——要察看他們靈魂中摻雜了這些金屬中的哪一種。若他們自己的孩子生來帶有銅或鐵的成分,他們絕不可有絲毫憐憫,而應按其本性所應得的地位,把他驅趕到工匠或農夫之列;反過來,若從這些人中生出帶有金或銀成分的孩子,他們就應予以尊重,將其提拔,有的升為守護者,有的升為輔佐者,因為有神諭說:這城邦一旦由鐵製或銅製的守護者來守護,就必將毀滅。那麼,你有什麼辦法能使人相信這個神話呢?
So the god enjoins upon the rulers, first and foremost, that of nothing should they be such good guardians, nor should they guard anything so closely, as the offspring, to see what of these metals is mingled in their souls; and if a child of theirs should be born tinged with bronze or iron, they must in no way take pity on it, but rendering the honor appropriate to its nature, must thrust it out among the craftsmen or the farmers; and again, if from these there should spring up one tinged with gold or silver, they shall honor it and raise it up, some to the guardianship, others to the auxiliary rank, since there is an oracle that the city shall be destroyed when it is guarded by an iron guardian or a bronze one. Do you have, then, any device by which they might be persuaded of this myth?
12:44.1
Τῆς παρ Ἑβραίοις προφητείας φασκούσης πρὸς τοὺς προεστῶτας τοῦ πλήθους ὠ ποιμένες Ἰσραὴλ, μὴ βόσκουσι ποιμένες ἑαυτούς; οὐ τὰ πρόβατα βόσκουσιν οἱ ποιμένες; ἰδοὺ τὸ γάλα κατεσθίετε, καὶ τὸ παχὺ σφάζετε, καὶ τὰ ἔρια περιβάλλεσθε, καὶ τὰ πρόβατά μου οὐ βόσκετε · καὶ τὸ ἀπολωλὸς οὐκ ἐζητήσατε, καὶ τὸ συντετριμένον οὐ κατεδήσατε, καὶ τὸ πλανώμενον οὐκ ἐπεστρέψατε· ἀλλὰ καὶ τοῦ σωτηρίου λόγου φάσκοντος ὁ ποιμὴν ὁ καλὸς τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ τίθησιν ὑπὲρ τῶν προβάτων, ὁ δὲ μισθωτὸς καὶ οὐκ ὢν ποιμὴν, οὗ οὐκ ἔστιν ἴδια τὰ πρόβατα, καταλείπει αὐτά, ἐπάκουσον καὶ τοῦ Πλάτωνος ἐν τῷ πρώτῳ τῆς Πολιτείας ὅπως ποτὲ ταῦτα διερμηνευει
希伯來人中的先知曾對百姓的首領這樣說:『以色列的牧人哪,牧人豈是為自己牧養嗎?牧人豈不是應當牧養群羊嗎?看哪,你們吃奶、宰肥羊、穿羊毛,卻不牧養我的羊;失喪的,你們沒有尋找;受傷的,你們沒有纏裹;走迷的,你們沒有領回。』此外,救主的話語也說:『好牧人為羊捨命,那雇工並不是牧人,羊也不是他自己的,他就撇下羊逃走。』且聽柏拉圖在《理想國》第一卷中如何解釋這些道理。
Since the prophecy among the Hebrews says to the leaders of the people, 'O shepherds of Israel, do shepherds feed themselves? Do not shepherds feed the sheep? Behold, you eat the milk, and slaughter the fatling, and clothe yourselves with the wool, but you do not feed my sheep; and you have not sought that which was lost, nor bound up that which was broken, nor brought back that which went astray'; and moreover, since the word of salvation says, 'The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep, but the hired man, who is not a shepherd and to whom the sheep do not belong, abandons them' — hear also how Plato, in the first book of the Republic, interprets these very things.
12:44.2
Νῦν δὲ ὁρᾷς, ὠ Θρασύμαχε, ἔτι γὰρ τὰ ἐμπροδθεν ἐπισκεψώμεθα, ὅτι τὸν ὡς ἀληθῶς ἰατρὸν τὸ πρῶτον ὁριζόμενος τὸν ὡς ἀληθῶς ποιμένα, οὐκέτι ᾤου δεῖν ὕστερον ἀκριβῶς φυλάξαι, ἀλλὰ πιαίνειν οἴει αὐτὸν τὰ πρόβατα, καθ ὅσον ποιμήν ἐστιν, οὐ πρὸς τὸ τῶν προβάτων βέλτιστον βλέποντα, ἀλλ ὥσπερ δαιτυμόνα τινὰ καὶ μέλλοντα ἑστιάσασθαι πρὸς τὴν εὐωχίαν, ἢ αὖ πρὸς τὸ ἀποδόσθαι, ὥσπερ χρηματιστὴν, ἀλλ οὐ ποιμένα. τῇ ποιμενικῇ δ οὐ δήπου ἄλλου του μέλει ἢ ἐφ ᾧ τέτακται, ὅπως τούτῳ τὸ βέλτιστον ἐκποριεῖ, ἐπεὶ τά γε αὐτῆς ὥστ εἶναι βελτίστην ἱκανῶς δήπου ἐκπεπόρισται, ἴως γε ἂν μηδὲν ἐνδέῃ τοῦ ποιμενικὴ εἶναι. οὕτω δὴ ᾤμην ἔγωγε νῦν δὴ ἀναγκαῖον εἶναι ἡμῖν ὁμολογεῖν πᾶσαν ἀρχὴν, καθ ὅσον ἀρχὴ, μηδενὶ ἄλλῳ τὸ βέλτιστον σκοπεῖσθαι ἢ ἐκείνῳ τῷ ἀρχομένῳ τε καὶ θεραπευομένῳ, ἐν πολιτικῇ καὶ ἰδιωτικῇ ἀρχῇ. σὺ δὲ τοὺς ἄρχοντας ἐν ταῖς πόλεσι, τοὺς ὡς ἀληθῶς ἄρχοντας, ἑκόντας οἴει ἄρχειν
現在你看,特拉緒馬霍斯,我們再回顧一下前面所說的——你起初界定真正的醫生時,後來卻不再認為必須同樣嚴格地界定真正的牧人;你竟以為牧人作為牧人,養肥羊群並非著眼於羊群本身的最大利益,而是像個即將赴宴享樂的賓客,或者像個生意人那樣著眼於出售,而不是像個牧人。牧羊的技藝所關心的,除了它所司職的對象、為其謀求最大利益之外,別無他事;至於這技藝本身要成為最好的技藝,那早已充分具備了,只要它不欠缺作為牧羊技藝所應有的一切。所以我原以為,我們剛才必須承認:一切統治,就其為統治而言,除了為那被統治、被照管的對象謀求最大利益之外,不謀求別的,無論是在公共的統治還是私人的統治中皆然。可是你卻以為,城邦中的統治者,那些真正的統治者,是心甘情願去統治的嗎?
But now you see, Thrasymachus — for let us examine again what went before — that when you first defined the true physician, you no longer thought it necessary afterward to keep as strictly to the true shepherd, but you think that he, insofar as he is a shepherd, fattens the sheep not with a view to what is best for the sheep, but as though he were some banqueter about to feast at a festival, or again with a view to selling them, like a moneymaker, and not a shepherd. But the shepherd's art surely cares for nothing else than that for which it is appointed, namely, to provide what is best for that; since as for its own affairs, so as to be the best possible art, that has surely been sufficiently provided for, so long as it lacks nothing of being the shepherd's art. So then I, for my part, thought it necessary for us just now to agree that every rule, insofar as it is rule, considers what is best for nothing else than that which is ruled and cared for, in both public and private rule. But you think that the rulers in cities, the true rulers, rule willingly?
12:45.1
Τῆς παρ Ἑβραίοις προφητείας λεγούσης ἐκ τοῦ φόβου σου, κύριε, ἐν γαστρὶ ἐλάβομεν καὶ ὠδινήσαμεν καὶ ἐτέκομεν πνεῦμα σωτηρίας ὁ Πλάτων ἐν Θεαιτήτῳ τάδε λέγοντα Σωκράτην ποιεῖ Πάσχουσι δὴ οἶ ἐμοὶ συγγιγνόμενοι ταὐτὸν ταῖς τικτούσαις· ὠδίνουσι γὰρ καὶ ἀπορίας ἐμπίπλανται νύκτας τε καὶ ἡμέρας πολὺ μᾶλλον ἢ ἐκεῖναι. ταύτην δὲ τὴν ὠδῖνα ἐγείρειν τε καὶ ἀποπαύειν ἡ ἐμὴ τέχνη δύναται
希伯來人中的先知曾說:『主啊,因你的緣故,我們心懷懼怕,懷了胎,受了痛苦,生出救恩之靈。』柏拉圖在《泰阿泰德篇》中,讓蘇格拉底這樣說:『與我交往的人,遭遇的正如同臨盆的婦人:他們日夜受苦,滿心困惑,其程度遠甚於那些婦人。而能引動這種陣痛、也能使之平息的,正是我的技藝。』
Since the prophecy among the Hebrews says, 'Because of the fear of thee, O Lord, we have conceived in the womb, and been in travail, and have brought forth the spirit of salvation' — Plato, in the Theaetetus, makes Socrates say the following: 'Those who keep company with me suffer the same thing as women in labor; for they are in travail and filled with perplexity, night and day, far more than those women. And it is my art that can arouse this travail and bring it to rest.'
12:46.1
Τοῦ προφήτου Ἰεζεκιὴλ φήσαντος ἐγένετο ἐπ ἐμὲ χεὶρ κυρίου, καὶ εἶδον, καὶ ἰδοὺ πνεῦμα ἐξαῖρον ἤρχετο ἀπὸ βορρᾶ, καὶ ἐξῆς εἰπόντος καὶ ἐν τῷ μέσῳ, ὡς ὁμοίωμα τεσσάρων ζῴων. καὶ ἡ ὕραἐν σις αὐτῶν ὡς ὁμοίωμα ἀνθρώπου ἐπ αὐτοῖς, καὶ πρόσωπα τέσσαρα τῷ ἑνί. καὶ ὁμοίωσις τῶν προσώπων αὐτῶν, πρόσωπον ἀνθρώπου, καὶ πρόσωπον λέοντος ἐκ δεξιῶν τοῖς τέσσαρσι, καὶ πρόσωπον μόσχου ἐξ ἀριστερῶν τοῖς τέσσαρσι. καὶ πρόσωπον ἀετοῦ τοῖς τέσσαρσι, καὶ ὁ Πλάτων ὁμοίως ἄκουσον ἅ φησι
先知以西結曾說:『耶和華的手降在我身上,我觀看,見狂風從北方颳來。』接著又說:『其中彷彿有四個活物的形狀;牠們的樣子彷彿是人的形像,每個都有四個臉面。牠們臉面的形狀:正面是人的臉,四個的右邊是獅子的臉,四個的左邊是牛犢的臉,四個又都有鷹的臉。』且聽柏拉圖也是怎麼說的。
Since the prophet Ezekiel says, 'The hand of the Lord came upon me, and I looked, and behold, a stormy wind was coming from the north,' and goes on to say, 'and in the midst, as it were the likeness of four living creatures; and their appearance was as the likeness of a man upon them, and each had four faces; and the likeness of their faces was the face of a man, and the face of a lion on the right of the four, and the face of a calf on the left of the four, and the face of an eagle to the four' — hear likewise what Plato says.
12:46.2
Νῦν δὴ, ἔφην, αὐτῷ διαλεγώμεθα, ἐπειδὴ διωμολογησάμεθα, τό τε ἀδικεῖν καὶ τὸ δίκαια πρᾶτ τειν ἣν ἑκάτερον ἔχει δύναμιν. Πῶς; ἔφη. Εἰκόνα πλάσαντες τῆς ψυχῆς λόγῳ, ἵνα εἰδῇ ὁ ἐκεῖνα λέγων οἵαν ἔλεγε. Ποίαν τινά; ἦ δ ὅς. Τῶν τοιούτων τινὰ, ἣν δ ἐγὼ, οἷαι μυθολογοῦνται παλαιαὶ γενέσθαι φύσεις, ἥ τε Χιμαίρας καὶ ἡ Σκύλλης καὶ Κερβέρου, καὶ ἄλλαι τινὲς συχναὶ λέγονται συμπεφυκυῖαι ἰδέαι πολλαὶ εῖς γενέσθαι
『如今,』我說,『既然我們已經一致同意行不義與行正義各自具有何種力量,就讓我們與他辯論吧。』他說:『怎麼辯?』『用言辭塑造一個靈魂的形像,好讓提出那種說法的人看清自己所說的究竟是什麼。』他問:『是什麼樣的形像?』我說:『就像那些古老神話中所講的怪物,如喀邁拉、斯庫拉、刻耳柏洛斯,以及其他許多據說是多種形貌合生為一體的怪物。』
'Now then,' I said, 'let us converse with him, since we have agreed what power each of the two, doing wrong and doing what is just, possesses.' 'How?' he said. 'By fashioning in speech an image of the soul, so that he who makes those claims may see what sort of thing he was saying.' 'What sort of image?' he said. 'Something like those,' I said, 'of the ancient natures told of in myth, such as the Chimaera, and Scylla, and Cerberus, and many others of which it is said that many forms grew together into one.'
12:46.3
Λέγονται γὰρ, ἔφη. Πλάττε τοίνυν μίαν μὶν ἰδέαν θηρίου ποικίλου καὶ πολυκεφάλου, ἡμέρων δὲ θηρίων ἔχοντος κεφαλὰς κύκλῳ καὶ ἀγρίων, καὶ δυνατοῦ μεταβάλλειν καὶ φύειν ἐξ αὐτοῦ ταῦτα πάντα. Δεινοῦ πλάστου, ἔφη, τὸ ἔργον· ὅμως δ, ἐπειδὴ εὐπλαστότερον κηροῦ καὶ τῶν τοιούτων ὁ λόγος, πεπλάσθω
他說:『是的,有這樣的傳說。』『那麼你就塑造一個形像:一頭色彩斑駁、多頭的怪獸,環繞四周長著馴良與兇猛動物的頭,並且能夠變化、能從自身生出這一切。』他說:『這是位巧匠的作品;不過,既然言辭比蠟或其他材料更容易塑造,那就讓它成形吧。』
'Yes, such things are told,' he said. 'Fashion then one form of a variegated, many-headed beast, having heads of tame and wild animals in a circle round it, and able to change and to grow all these out of itself.' 'That is the work of a clever modeler,' he said; 'nevertheless, since speech is more pliable than wax and such materials, let it be modeled.'
12:46.4
Μίαν δὴ τοίνυν ἄλλην ἰδέαν λέοντος, μίαν δὲ ἀνθρώπου· πολὺ δὲ μέγιστον ἔστω τὸ πρῶτον, καὶ δεύτερον τὸ δεύτερον. Ταῦτ, ἔφη, ῥᾴω, καὶ πέπλασται. Σύναπτε τοίνυν αὐτὰ εἰς ἓν τρία ὄντα, ὥστε πη ξυμπεφυκέναι ἀλλήλοις. Ξυνῆπται, ἔφη. Περίπλασον δὴ αὐτοῖς ἔξωθεν ἑνὸς εἰκόνα, τὴν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου, ὥστε τῷ μὴ δυναμένῳ τὰ ἐντὸς ὁρᾶν, ἀλλὰ τὸ ἔξω μόνον ἔλυτρον ὁρῶντι, ἔν ζῷον φαίνεσθαι, ἄνθρωπον
『再塑造另外兩種形像,一是獅子,一是人;讓第一種遠遠最大,第二種次之。』他說:『這些較容易,已經塑好了。』『那麼把這三者接合為一,使它們在某種程度上彼此連生。』他說:『已經接合好了。』『再在它們外面塑上一層形像,就是人的形像,好讓那看不見內部、只看見外殼的人,覺得那是一個生物,一個人。』
'Now fashion one other form, that of a lion, and one of a man; and let the first be by far the largest, and the second next.' 'These,' he said, 'are easier, and have been modeled.' 'Now join them into one, the three of them, so that they somehow grow together with one another.' 'They are joined,' he said. 'Then mold around them, on the outside, the image of one thing, that of the man, so that to one who is not able to see the inside, but sees only the outer shell, it appears to be a single creature, a man.'
12:46.5
Περιπέπλασται, ἔφη. Λέγωμεν δὴ τῷ λέγοντι ὡς λυσιτελεῖ τούτῳ ἀδικεῖν τῷ ἀνθρώπῳ, δίκαια δὲ πράττειν οὐ ξυμφέρει, διότι οὐδὲν ἄλλο φήσει ἢ λυσιτελεῖν αὐτῷ τὸ παντοδαπὸν θηρίον εὐωχοῦντι ποιεῖν ἰσχυρὸν καὶ τὸν λέοντα καὶ τὰ περὶ τὸν λέοντα, τὸν δὲ ἄνθρωπον λιμοκτονεῖν παὶ ποιεῖν ἀσθενῆ, ὥστε ἕλκεσθαι ὅπη ἂν ἐκείνων ὁπότερον ἄγῃ, καὶ μηδὲν ἕτερον ἑτέρω ξυνεθίζειν μηδὲ φίλον ποιεῖν, ἀλλ ἐᾶν αὐτὰ ἐν αὑτοῖς δάκνεσθαί τε καὶ μαχόμενα ἐσθίειν ἄλληλα
他說:『已經塑好了外殼。』『那麼,讓我們對那主張行不義對這人有利、行正義對他無益的人說:他所說的無非是——藉著飽食那多形怪獸,使獅子及一切屬於獅子的部分變得強壯,這對他有利;卻讓那個人挨餓、變得虛弱,以致無論那兩者中哪一個牽引,他都被拖著走;並且使牠們彼此互不習慣、互不友善,反而任憑牠們互相撕咬、爭鬥、彼此吞食。』
'It has been molded around,' he said. 'Let us now say to him who claims that it is profitable for this man to do wrong, and that doing what is just does not benefit him, that he is saying nothing other than that it is profitable for him, by feasting the many-formed beast, to make it strong, and the lion and all that belongs to the lion, but to starve the man and make him weak, so that he is dragged along wherever either of the other two leads him, and to accustom neither of them to the other nor make them friends, but to let them bite and fight and devour one another.'
12:46.6
Παντάπασι γὰρ, ἔφη, ταῦτ ἂν λέγοι ὁ τὸ ἀδικεῖν ἐπαινῶν. Οὐκοῦν αὖ ὁ τὰ δίκαια λέγων λυσιτελεῖν φαίη ἂν δεῖν ταῦτα πράττειν καὶ ταῦτα λέγειν, ὅθεν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ὁ ἐντὸς ἄνθρωπος ἔσται ἐγκρατέστατος, καὶ τοῦ πολυκεφάλου θρέμματος ἐπιμελήσεται ὥσπερ γεωργὸς, τὰ μὲν ἥμερα τρέφων καὶ τιθασσεύων, τὰ δὲ ἄγρια ἀποκωλύων φύεσθαι, ξύμμαχον ποιησάμενος τὴν τοῦ λέοντος φύσιν, καὶ κοινῇ πάντων κηδόνενος, φίλα ποιησάμενος ἀλλήλοις τε καὶ αὑτῷ, οὕτω θρέψει; Κομιδῇ γὰρ αὖ λέγει ταῦτα ὁ τὸ δίκαιον ἐπαίνων
他說:『沒錯,這正是那讚美行不義的人所會說的話。』『那麼,反過來說,那主張行正義有益的人,豈不會說:必須這樣做、這樣說,好使人內在的那個「人」成為最能自制的部分;他將像個農夫一樣照管那多頭的怪物,餵養馴化其中溫馴的部分,阻止兇猛的部分滋長,並使獅子的本性成為盟友,共同關照全體,使牠們彼此之間、以及與自己之間都成為朋友,如此撫育牠們?』『沒錯,這正是那讚美正義的人所說的話。』
'Yes, indeed,' he said, 'these are the things he who praises doing wrong would say.' 'Then again, would not he who says that doing what is just is profitable declare that one must do and say such things as will make the inner man within the man most in control, and that he will care for the many-headed creature like a farmer, nourishing and taming the tame parts, and preventing the wild ones from growing, making an ally of the lion's nature, and caring for all in common, making them friends with one another and with himself, and rearing them in this way?' 'Indeed, this in turn is exactly what he who praises justice would say.'
12:47.1
Τοῦ παντὸς Ἑβραίων ἔθνους εἰς δώδεκα φυλὰς διεσταλμένου καὶ ὁ Πλάτων ὁμοίως τοῦτο χρῆναι δεῖν ἐπὶ τῶν αὑτοῦ πολιτῶν φυλάξαι νομοθετεῖ, λέγων ὧδε Δώδεκα μὲν ἡμῖν ἡ χώρα πᾶσα εἰς δύναμιν ἴσα μόρια νενεμήσθω. φυλὴ δὲ μία τῷ μορίῳ ἑκάστῳ ἐπικληρωθεῖσα κατ ἐνιαυτὸν παρεχέτω πέντε οἶον ἀγρονόμους τε φυλάρχους. Καὶ πάλιν φησί Ταξιάρχους αὐτοῖσι προβάλλεσθαι μὲν τοῦς αἱρεθέντας στρατηγοὺς δώδεκα, ἑκάστῃ φυλῇ ταξίαρχον
既然希伯來全民族被劃分為十二個支派,柏拉圖也照樣立法規定,他自己的公民也應遵行同樣的做法,他這樣說:『讓我們把全境盡可能劃分為十二個相等的部分。每個部分分配一個支派,每年提供五名,即所謂的田野巡守官及支派長。』他又說:『被選出的將軍們,應為各支派推舉出十二名分隊長,每個支派一名分隊長。』
Since the whole nation of the Hebrews is divided into twelve tribes, Plato likewise legislates that this same thing should be observed among his own citizens, saying thus: 'Let the whole territory be divided, as far as possible, into twelve equal parts. And let one tribe, allotted to each part, provide five country-wardens and tribal-rulers annually.' And again he says: 'Let the generals who are chosen put forward as commanders of the ranks twelve men, one commander of the ranks for each tribe.'
12:48.1
Τῆς παρὰ παισὶν Ἑβραίων πάλαι πρότερον συνεστώσης βασιλικῆς μητροπόλεως, ἄποθεν μὲν θαλάσσης οὔσης, ἐν ὄρεσι δὲ κατῳκισμένης, πάμφορόν τε γῆν κεκτημένης, καὶ ὁ Πλάτων τοιαύτην τινὰ εἶναι δεῖν φησι τὴν πρὸς αὐτοῦ κατοικιζομένην ἐν τοῖς Νόμοις. λέγει δὲ ὧδε
昔日希伯來子民中所建立的那座王都,遠離海洋,坐落於群山之間,並擁有出產豐饒、百物俱備的土地;柏拉圖在《法律篇》中,也同樣主張他所建立的城邦應當如此。他這樣說:
Since the royal metropolis that anciently existed among the children of the Hebrews was far from the sea, situated among mountains, and possessed of land bearing all manner of produce, Plato likewise says, in the Laws, that the city being founded by him ought to be of such a kind. He speaks thus:
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