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Letters & Polemics (CSEL) 18 part 10/17

Latin original · 38 verses · some words can be tapped for a gloss · long chapter, split into parts; this part covers 18:351–18:388 (642 verses in all)

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18:351
quid loquar de filio eius loseph, qui post carceris tribulationem, quo uelut igne sicut aurum castitas eius probata est, magnis ab eo sublimatus honoribus iurabat etiam per Pharaonis salutem non tamquam tyfo elatus, sed beniuolentiae non ingratus. regis filia Moysen adoptauit. Dauid ad alienigenam regis Israhel compulsus iniquitate confugit. Helias ante currum pessimi regis non illius imperio, sed suo cucurrit obsequio. Helisaeus hospitae mulieri, si quid sibi forte a rege per eius intercessionem praestari uellet, etiam ultro offerendum putauit. sed ad ipsa iam tempora ueniam, quando captiuus dei populus habebatur, ubi, ut mitius loquar, mira tibi inrepsit obliuio.
What shall I say of his son Joseph, who, after the tribulation of prison, whereby his chastity was tried as gold by fire, being exalted by him to great honours, swore even by the health of Pharaoh — not as one puffed up with pride, but as one not ungrateful for goodwill? A king's daughter adopted Moses. David, compelled by iniquity, fled for refuge to the foreign king of Israel. Elijah ran before the chariot of a most wicked king, not by that king's command, but by his own homage. Elisha thought that whatever he might perhaps wish to be granted him by the king through her intercession should even be offered unbidden to the woman who was his hostess. But now I will come to those very times when the people of God were held captive, where — to speak more mildly — a strange forgetfulness has crept over you.
論到他兒子約瑟,我還要說甚麼呢?他在監獄的患難之後——藉此他的貞潔如金經火般受了試驗——被那王升到大尊榮,甚至指著法老的性命起誓,並非驕傲自高,乃是不忘恩義。有一位王的女兒收養了摩西。大衛被不義所逼,逃奔到以色列外邦的王那裡避難。以利亞跑在一位極其邪惡之王的車前,不是奉那王的命令,乃是出於自己的敬奉。以利沙認為,凡他或許願意藉那婦人的代求從王那裡得到的,就當不待請求便主動獻給那款待他的婦人。但如今我要說到上帝的百姓被擄的那些日子,在那裡——說得溫和些——一種奇異的健忘竟悄悄臨到了你。
18:352
uolens enim probare, quod reges numquam christianitas nisi inuidos senserit, commemorasti tres pueros et Danihelem, quae passi sunt a persequentibus regibus, nec rebus, non uicinis sed plane ipsis, admoneri potuisti, qualis ipse rex post innocentium flammarum miraculum siue in deo laudando atque praedicando siue in ipsis pueris honorandis extiterit, qualem rex habuerit Danihelem et non recusantem quibus muneribus exornauerit, cum ille honorem debitum reddens regiae potestati, quod satis in uerbis eius apparet, donum dei quo praeditus erat indicando interpretando eius somnium non subtraxit.
For, wishing to prove that Christianity has never found kings other than envious, you mentioned the three boys and Daniel, and what they suffered from persecuting kings; yet by the very facts — not by neighbouring matters, but plainly by these very ones — you could not be admonished: what manner of king the very same one showed himself, after the miracle of the innocent flames, whether in praising and proclaiming God, or in honouring the boys themselves; what manner of Daniel the king had — one who did not refuse — and with what gifts he adorned him, when Daniel, rendering the honour due to the royal power (as sufficiently appears in his words), did not withhold the gift of God with which he was endowed, by pointing out and interpreting the king's dream.
因為你想要證明基督教發現君王無非是心懷嫉妒的,就提到那三個少年人和但以理,以及他們從逼迫的君王手中所受的苦;然而藉著這些事實本身——不是藉旁邊的事,乃明明是藉這些事本身——你竟不能受警戒:在那無辜火焰的神蹟之後,那同一位王究竟顯出何等的樣式,無論是在讚美宣揚上帝上,還是在尊榮那些少年人上;那位王有一個何等的但以理——一個並不推辭的但以理——並用何等的禮物裝飾他,因為但以理向王權獻上當有的尊榮(這在他的話中已充分顯明),並沒有隱藏他所稟賦的上帝的恩賜,反倒指明並解釋了那王的夢。
18:353
unde cum ab inuidis sancti uiri sacrilega uesania calumniantibus inuitus eum rex in lacum leonum mittere cogeretur, quamquam tristis id fecerit, praesumpsit eum tamen per auxilium domini sui saluum futurum. itaque cum ille refrenata diuinitus leonum rabie uixisset illaesus, sollicita et amica uoce regis ipsius sibi praemissa et ipse cum benedictione de lacu respondit: rex, in saeculum uiue. cur istas regum cum sanctis amicitias, cum sermo tuus ibidem uersaretur, cum istorum famulorum dei in quibus haec acta sunt tu ipse commemorares exempla, uel non uidisti uel uidere noluisti uel, quod nescio quemadmodum excuses, uisas notasque tacuisti?
Hence, when the king was reluctantly compelled by envious men, who slandered the holy man with sacrilegious madness, to cast him into the lions' den — although he did it with sorrow — he yet presumed that Daniel would be safe through the help of his God. And so, when Daniel, the rage of the lions being divinely restrained, had survived unharmed, the king's own solicitous and friendly voice being first sent ahead to him, he too answered from the den with a blessing: 'O king, live for ever.' Why did you either not see, or would not see, these friendships of kings with the saints — when your discourse was engaged upon this very theme, when you yourself were recalling the examples of these very servants of God in whom these things were done — or, in a way I know not how you can excuse, keep silent about things you had seen and marked?
因此,當那王被那些以褻瀆之瘋狂誣告這聖人的嫉妒者勉強逼著,要把他丟進獅子坑——雖然他是憂憂愁愁地作的——他卻仍指望但以理藉他上帝的幫助必得平安。所以,當但以理在獅子的兇性被神所制止之下毫無傷害地存活時,那王自己先差殷勤而友善的聲音給他,他也從坑中帶著祝福回答說:『王啊,願你萬歲。』你為何或是沒有看見、或是不願看見君王與聖徒的這些友誼呢——當你的論述正涉及這一主題時,當你自己正在追述這些成就這些事的上帝僕人的榜樣時——或者,我不知你如何辯解,竟對你所看見、所注意到的事保持緘默?
18:354
quodsi te sicut causae pessimae defensorem studium falsitatis adstruendae non impediret et te nolentem uel nescientem a luce ueritatis auerteret, profecto reges quosdam bonos, quosdam autem malos et alios sanctorum amicos, alios inimicos sine ulla difficultate recoleres. et miramur quod se circumcelliones uestri sic praecipitant? quis post te currebat, obsecro te? quis Macarius, quis miles insequebatur? nempe in abruptum falsitatis huius nullus nostrum te impulit. cur ergo clausis oculis sic isti praeceps, ut, cum dixisses: quid autem uobis est cum regibus saeculi, non adiungeres: \'quos saepe christianitas inuidos sensit\', sed non dubitares dicere:
But if the zeal for establishing falsehood, as a defender of a most evil cause, did not hinder you and, unwilling or unwitting, turn you away from the light of truth, you would assuredly recall, without any difficulty, that some kings were good and some evil, and some friends of the saints, others enemies. And do we wonder that your Circumcellions cast themselves down so? Who was running after you, I beseech you? What Macarius, what soldier was pursuing you? Surely no one of us drove you into the precipice of this falsehood. Why, then, with closed eyes were you so headlong that, when you had said 'But what have you to do with the kings of the world,' you did not add 'whom Christianity has often found envious,' but did not hesitate to say:
但若那要建立謊言的熱心——作為一樁極惡之事的辯護者——沒有攔阻你,並且沒有在你不願或不知之際使你轉離真理的光,你就必定毫無困難地想起:有些君王是良善的,有些是邪惡的,有些是聖徒的朋友,有些是仇敵。我們何必希奇你們的圓舍派徒眾竟這樣投崖自盡呢?我求問你,誰在追趕你呢?甚麼馬卡里烏斯、甚麼兵丁在追逼你呢?分明沒有一個我們這邊的人把你推入這謊言的深淵。那麼你為何閉著眼睛如此魯莽,以致當你說了『但你們與這世上的君王有何相干』之後,不加上『基督教屢次發現他們是心懷嫉妒的』,反倒毫不猶豫地說:
18:355
quos numquam christia:*itas nisi inuidos sensit ? itane uero nec ipse cogitasti nec eos qui scripta tua legerent cogitaturos putasti tot regum exempla tibi reclamantia: (nescit quid loquatur?\' An, quia illi quos commemoraui ueterum temporum fuerunt, ideo tibi eos nihil aduersari arbitraris, quia non dixisti: <quos numquam iustitia nisi inuidos sensit\', sed dixisti: quos numquam christianitas nisi inuidos sensit, ex illo fortasse tempore uolens eos intellegi iustis inuidere, ex quo christiani appellari coeperunt? quid ergo sibi uolunt exempla ueterum temporum, quibus hoc quod imprudenter dixisti imprudentius docere uoluisti?
'whom Christianity has never found other than envious'? Did you then neither yourself reflect, nor suppose that those who should read your writings would reflect, on so many examples of kings crying out against you: 'He knows not what he says'? Or, because those whom I have mentioned belonged to ancient times, do you therefore think they are no obstacle to you, since you did not say 'whom justice has never found other than envious,' but said 'whom Christianity has never found other than envious' — wishing them perhaps to be understood as envying the just from that time when they began to be called Christians? What then do the examples of ancient times mean to you, by which you wished more imprudently to teach that which you imprudently said?
『基督教發現他們無非是心懷嫉妒的』?難道你既沒有自己省思,也沒有料到那些要讀你著作的人會省思,有那麼多君王的榜樣向你喊著說:『他不知自己在說甚麼』?還是因為我所提到的那些人屬於古時,你就以為他們對你毫無妨礙,因為你沒有說『公義發現他們無非是心懷嫉妒的』,卻說『基督教發現他們無非是心懷嫉妒的』——或許是想叫人明白,他們是從人開始被稱為基督徒的那時起才嫉妒義人的?那麼古時的榜樣對你有何意義呢,你竟想用它們更加輕率地教導你所輕率說出的話?
18:356
numquid enim Machabaei uel tres pueri uel Danihel non, antequam Christus in terra nasceretur, uel egerunt illa uel pertulerunt? deinde, quem paulo ante commemoraui, cur Iuliano uero christianitatis inuido supplicastis? cur ab eo basilicas petistis? cur apud eum solam iustitiam locum habere dixistis? si christianitatis inuidus haec audit, quid sunt a quibus haec audit? at uero Constantinus, nequaquam christiani nominis inuidus, sed plane christiano nomine gloriosus, memor spei quam gerebat in Christo, pro eius unitate iustissime iudicans acceptari a uobis nec ad se appellantibus meruit. ambo iam christianis temporibus, sed non fuerunt ambo christiani.
For did not the Maccabees, or the three boys, or Daniel, either do those things or endure them before Christ was born on earth? Then, as for the one whom I mentioned a little before, why did you make supplication to Julian, who was truly envious of Christianity? Why did you seek basilicas from him? Why did you say that with him justice alone had place? If an enemy of Christianity hears these things, what are those from whom he hears them? But Constantine, in no way envious of the Christian name, but plainly glorious in the Christian name, mindful of the hope he bore in Christ, judging most justly on behalf of his unity, deserved to be appealed to by you, though you did not appeal to him. Both belonged now to Christian times, but both were not Christians.
因為馬加比人、那三個少年人、但以理,豈不都是在基督降生在地上之前,或行了那些事、或忍受了那些事嗎?再者,論到我稍前提到的那位,你們為何向那真正嫉妒基督教的尤利安懇求呢?你們為何向他求教堂呢?你們為何說在他手下唯有公義才有立足之地呢?若一個基督教的仇敵聽見這些話,那說這些話給他聽的人又算甚麼呢?但君士坦丁絕非嫉妒基督之名,反倒明明因基督之名而榮耀,記念他在基督裡所懷的盼望,為他的合一極公正地審斷,本配得你們向他上訴,雖然你們並沒有向他上訴。二人如今都屬於基督教的時代,但二人卻不都是基督徒。
18:357
quodsi ambo christianitatis inuidi, cur ad unum eorum sic appellastis, alteri eorum sic supplicastis? petentibus enim maioribus uestris episcopale iudicium dederat Constantinus et apud Romam et apud Arelatum, quorum primum apud eum accusastis, ab altero ad eum appellastis. si autem, quod uerum est, unus eorum in Christum crediderat, alter a Christo apostatauerat, cur christianus consulens unitati contemnitur et apostata fauens diuisioni laudatur? Constantinus uobis basilicas iussit auferri, Iulianus restitui: quid horum christianae paci conueniat uultis nosse? illud fecit qui crediderat in Christum, hoc fecit qui dimiserat Christum. o quam uelles dicere:
But if both were enemies of Christianity, why did you appeal to one of them thus, and supplicate the other thus? For when your elders petitioned, Constantine had granted an episcopal judgment both at Rome and at Arles; and of these you first accused the party before him at Rome, and from the other tribunal you appealed to him. But if, as is the truth, one of them had believed in Christ while the other had apostatized from Christ, why is the Christian who looks after unity despised, and the apostate who favors division praised? Constantine ordered your basilicas to be taken from you, Julian ordered them restored: do you wish to know which of these accords with Christian peace? The former was done by him who had believed in Christ, the latter by him who had forsaken Christ. Oh how you would wish to say:
但若二人都是基督信仰的仇敵,你們為何如此向其中一人上訴,又如此向另一人懇求呢?當你們的前輩請願時,君士坦丁曾在羅馬和亞爾勒兩地授予主教審判之權;你們先在羅馬於他面前控告一方,又從另一法庭向他上訴。可是,若按真相,二人中一人曾信了基督,另一人卻背棄了基督,那麼那顧念合一的基督徒為何被藐視,而那偏袒分裂的背教者反被稱讚呢?君士坦丁下令奪去你們的聖堂,猶利安下令歸還:你們願知曉哪一樣合乎基督的和平嗎?前者是由信了基督的人所行,後者是由棄絕基督的人所行。啊,你多麼願意說:
18:358
male factum est ut Iuliano ita supplicaretur\'! sed hoc quid ad nos pertinet? quod si diceres, et in his quidem uerbis tuis catholica uinceret, ad cuius sanctos toto orbe diffusos multo minus pertinet quidquid dicitis de quibus uultis, sicut uultis. sed non potes dicere male factum, ut Iuliano ita supplicaretur. oppilat fauces, premit linguam domestica auctoritas: Pontius fecit, Pontius supplicauit, Pontius apostatam iustissimum dixit, Pontius apud apostatam solam iustitiam locum habere praedicauit. his uerbis sibi Pontium supplicasse in eodem rescripto suo nominatim sine ambage ipse Iulianus expressit. extant allegationes uestrae; non haec incerta fama, sed publica monumenta testantur.
'It was ill done that Julian should be supplicated in this way!' But what does this concern us? Yet if you said so, even in these very words of yours the Catholic Church would prevail—she to whose saints spread throughout the whole world it pertains far less, whatever you say about whomever you please, however you please. But you cannot say that it was ill done to supplicate Julian in this way. Domestic authority stops your throat and presses down your tongue: Pontius did it, Pontius supplicated, Pontius called the apostate most just, Pontius proclaimed that with the apostate alone justice had a place. In these very words Julian himself, in his own rescript, expressly and by name and without ambiguity, declared that Pontius had supplicated him. Your allegations survive; not uncertain rumor but public records bear witness to this.
「猶利安竟被如此懇求,實在做得不對!」但這與我們有何相干?然而,即便你這樣說,就是憑你這些話,大公教會也必得勝——祂那遍佈全世界的聖徒,對於你們隨心所欲地對任何人所說的任何話,其實關係更小。可是你不能說如此懇求猶利安是做得不對。有一種出自你們自家的權威堵住了你的喉嚨、壓住了你的舌頭:是彭提烏斯做的,是彭提烏斯懇求的,是彭提烏斯稱那背教者為至公義者,是彭提烏斯宣稱唯有在背教者那裡公義才有立足之地。猶利安本人在他自己的批文中,明確、指名且毫不含糊地表明彭提烏斯曾向他懇求。你們的陳情書尚存於世;證明此事的不是不確定的傳聞,而是公開的檔案記錄。
18:359
an forte, quia contra unitatem Christi petitioni uestrae aliquid concessit apostata, uerum putas esse quod dictum est apud eum solam locum habere iustitiam, quia uero imperatores christiani, quod ualere arbitrantur ad Christi unitatem, contra uestram statuunt uoluntatem, christianitatis inuidi appellantur? sic desipiant omnes haeretici et resipiant ut non sint haeretici. \'Et ubi\', inquies, \'impletum est quod dominus dicit: ueniet tempus, ut qui uos occiderit putet se deo offi cium facere ?
Or perhaps, because the apostate granted something against the unity of Christ in answer to your petition, you think it true what was said—that with him alone justice had a place; whereas the Christian emperors, because they decree against your will what they judge to avail for the unity of Christ, are called enemies of Christianity? So let all heretics lose their wits, and let them recover them so as to be heretics no longer. 'And where,' you will say, 'has that been fulfilled which the Lord says: The time will come when whoever kills you will think that he is doing a service to God?
或者,也許因為那背教者答允了你們的請願、賜下某樣違背基督合一的東西,你就以為所說的是真的——唯有在他那裡公義才有立足之地;而基督徒的皇帝們,因為他們照著自己所判斷有益於基督合一的事,逆著你們的意願施行法令,便被稱為基督信仰的仇敵嗎?願一切異端都如此喪失心智,又恢復心智,好叫他們不再作異端。你會說:「主所說的話在何處應驗了呢?祂說:時候將到,凡殺你們的,必以為是事奉神。」
18:360
neque enim hoc de paganis dici potuit, qui non propter deum, sed propter idola christianos persequebantur.\' non uidetis, si hoc de his imperatoribus dictum esset qui gaudent de nomine christiano, hoc eos utique praeeipue fuisse iussuros, ut occideremini? quod numquam omnino iusserunt, sed uestri hostili more legibus repugnando poenas debitas luunt et uoluntarias mortes suas, dum nobis inuidiosas putant, sibi perniciosas non putant. quodsi de regibus nomen Christi honorantibus illud a domino dictum esse arbitrantur, quaerant quid catholica in oriente perpessa sit, quando Ualens imperabat Arrianus. ecce haberem quo intellegerem impletum esse quod dominus ait:
For this could not have been said of the pagans, who persecuted the Christians not for the sake of God but for the sake of idols.' Do you not see that, if this had been said of those emperors who rejoice in the Christian name, they would above all have chiefly commanded this—that you be killed? Which they have never in any way commanded; rather it is your own people who, resisting the laws in hostile fashion, pay the penalties they owe, and, while they think their voluntary deaths odious to us, do not think them ruinous to themselves. But if they suppose that saying of the Lord was spoken concerning kings who honor the name of Christ, let them inquire what the Catholic Church endured in the East, when Valens the Arian reigned. Behold, I would have the means to understand fulfilled what the Lord says:
因為這話不能用來指異教徒,他們逼迫基督徒並非為了神,而是為了偶像。」你難道看不見嗎?倘若這話是指那些以基督之名為榮的皇帝所說的,他們豈不首先且尤其會下令要你們被殺嗎?可是他們從未以任何方式如此下令;反倒是你們自己的人,以敵對的方式抗拒法律,償付所欠的刑罰;他們以為自己甘願的死在我們眼中可憎,卻不以為對自己是毀滅。但他們若以為主那話是指尊崇基督之名的君王而說的,就讓他們去查考:當亞流派的瓦倫斯掌權時,大公教會在東方所忍受的是什麼。看哪,我倒有依據可以明白主所說的話已然應驗:
18:361
ueniet tempus, ut qui uos occiderit putet se officium deo facere, ne sibi ad famae gloriam haeretici assumerent, si quid aduersus eorum errorem imperatores catholici praecepissent. uerumtamen tempus illud post ascensionem domini completum esse reminiscimur: sancta scriptura huius rei testis omnibus nota est. Iudaei se putabant officium deo facere, cum apostolos occidebant. inter hos qui officium deo se arbitrabantur exhibere etiam Saulus noster, nondum noster, fuit, ita ut hoc inter laudes suas praeteritas et obliuiscendas enumeret: Hebraeus, inquit, ex Hebraeis, secundum legem Pharisaeus, secundum aemulationem persequens ecclesiam.
The time will come when whoever kills you will think he is doing a service to God—lest the heretics claim it for the glory of their reputation, if the Catholic emperors have decreed anything against their error. Yet we remember that that time was fulfilled after the Lord's ascension: holy Scripture, known to all, is witness to this matter. The Jews thought they were doing a service to God when they killed the apostles. Among these who supposed they were rendering a service to God was even our Saul—not yet ours—so that he numbers this among his past and to-be-forgotten boasts: A Hebrew, he says, of the Hebrews, according to the law a Pharisee, according to zeal persecuting the Church.
「時候將到,凡殺你們的,必以為是事奉神」——免得異端把這話據為己有以增添名聲的榮耀,倘若大公教會的皇帝們曾針對他們的謬誤下過任何法令。然而我們記得,那時候是在主升天之後應驗的:眾人所熟知的聖經為此事作見證。猶太人在殺害使徒時,自以為是在事奉神。在這些自以為向神盡忠的人中,甚至有我們的掃羅——那時尚未歸屬我們——以致他把這事列入自己過往、應當忘卻的誇口中,說:我是希伯來人所生的希伯來人,按律法是法利賽人,按熱心說是逼迫教會的。
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ecce qui putabat officium se deo facere, cum faciebat quod mox ipse perpessus est. nam quadraginta Iudaei coniurauerant ut interficerent eum, quando fecit hoc tribuno innotescere, ut eorum insidias armato milite saeptus euaderet. sed nondum erat qui ei diceret: \'quid tibi est, non cum regibus, sed cum tribunis armisque regalibus?\' non erat qui ei diceret: <audes per milites quaerere tuitionem, cum dominus tuus per eos ductus sit ad passionem?\' nondum erant ista deliramenta, sed contra haec futura iam tunc illa parabantur exempla. Quin etiam terribiliter proponere ausus es et dicere:
Behold, one who thought he was doing a service to God when he did the very thing he himself soon after suffered. For forty Jews had conspired to kill him, when he caused this to be made known to the tribune, so that, surrounded by armed soldiery, he might escape their ambush. But there was not yet anyone to say to him: 'What have you to do, not with kings, but with tribunes and royal arms?' There was no one to say to him: 'Do you dare to seek protection through soldiers, when your Lord was led through them to His passion?' Such ravings did not yet exist; but against these things to come, even then those examples were being prepared. Nay, you have even dared to set forth in terrifying fashion and to say:
看哪,這人在做那件他自己不久之後也親身遭受的事時,自以為是在事奉神。因為有四十個猶太人曾密謀要殺他;那時他設法讓千夫長知道此事,好使自己在武裝士兵的護衛下逃脫他們的埋伏。但那時還沒有人對他說:「你與君王無干,卻與千夫長並王家的兵器有何相干?」還沒有人對他說:「你竟敢藉士兵尋求保護,而你的主卻是被他們押去受難的嗎?」那時還沒有這等狂言;然而,為著日後這些事,那時就已在預備這些榜樣了。豈止如此,你甚至竟敢用令人驚駭的口吻陳說道:
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sed ut uetera taceam, in uestris exemplis aduertite imperatores quam plures ac iudices uestros persecutionem nobis faciendo perisse . hoc in epistula tua cum legissem, intentissime expectabam quid dicturus et quos enumeraturus esses, cum ecce mihi quasi relinquendo coepisti commemorare Neronem Domitianum Traianum Getam Decium Ualerianum Diocletianum Maximianum. fateor plures esse; sed tu prorsus contra quos loquaris oblitus e*. nonne isti omnes pagani fuerunt et uniuersaliter christianum nomen pro suis idolis persecuti sunt? euigila ergo; nam isti communionis nostrae non fuerunt.
'But to pass over ancient examples, mark in your own instances how very many of your emperors and your judges have perished for making persecution against us.' When I had read this in your letter, I most attentively awaited what you were going to say and whom you would enumerate—when behold, as if by way of dismissing them, you began to mention Nero, Domitian, Trajan, Geta, Decius, Valerian, Diocletian, Maximian. I admit these are many; but you have utterly forgotten against whom you are speaking. Were not all these pagans, and did they not universally persecute the Christian name for the sake of their idols? Wake up then; for these were not of our communion.
「不過,撇開古時的例子不談,且從你們自己的事例中留意:你們有多少皇帝和你們的審判官,因逼迫我們而滅亡了。」我在你的信中讀到這話時,極為專注地等候你要說什麼、要列舉哪些人——不料你竟彷彿把他們一筆帶過似地,開始提起尼祿、多米田、圖拉真、蓋塔、德西烏斯、瓦勒良、戴克里先、馬克西米安。我承認這些人數目不少;可是你全然忘了自己是在攻擊誰。這些人豈不都是異教徒,豈不是普遍地為著他們的偶像逼迫基督之名嗎?那就醒過來吧;因為這些人並不屬於我們的團契。
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unitatem ipsam, uel unde nos, sicut uos putatis, uel unde uos, sicut Christus docet, existis, totam persequebantur. tu autem proposueras ostendere nostros imperatores ac iudices persecutionem uobis faciendo perisse. an nec tu exigis ut istos computemus, quia relinquens eos commemorasti dicens: ut relinquam Neronem et sub ista relictione (per) ceteros cucurristi? quid opus fuit ergo ut commemorarentur ad rem non pertinentes? sed quid ad me? iam istos tecum relinquo: nunc saltem procedant illi quos promisisti quam plures. nisi forte propterea non inueniuntur, quia eos perisse dixisti. Sequeris enim iam et episcopos nominas, quos de traditione codicum soletis arguere.
They were persecuting that very unity in its entirety—whether the unity from which we came, as you suppose, or the unity from which you departed, as Christ teaches. But you had proposed to show that our emperors and judges perished for making persecution against you. Or do you not even require us to count these men, since in mentioning them you dismissed them, saying: 'to pass over Nero,' and under that dismissal you ran through the rest? What need was there, then, to mention men who have no bearing on the matter? But what is that to me? Now I too leave these to you; now at least let those come forward whom you promised—'the very many.' Unless perhaps they are not found for this reason, that you said they had perished. For you go on now and name bishops, whom you are wont to accuse of the surrender of the codices.
他們是在逼迫那整全的合一本身——無論是你們所以為我們由之而出的合一,還是照基督所教導、你們由之而離去的合一。可是你原先所提出的,是要證明我們的皇帝和審判官因逼迫你們而滅亡。難道你連要我們把這些人算進去也不要求嗎?既然你提起他們時是撇開他們,說「撇開尼祿不談」,又在這撇開之下把其餘的人一併帶過?那麼何必提起這些與本題無關的人呢?可是這與我有何相干?如今我也把這些人留給你:現在至少讓你所應許的那些人出場吧——那「為數眾多」的人。除非他們找不到,正是因為你說他們已經滅亡了。因為你接下來便去指名主教,你們慣於指控他們交出經卷。
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de quibus et nos solemus respondere:. \'aut non probatis et ad neminem pertinet, aut probatis et ad nos non pertinet\'. suam enim sarcinam portauerunt uel bonam uel malam, et bonam quidem credimus sed qualemlibet, tamen suam, sicut uestri mali nec ipsi uestram nec uos ipsorum: sed uestrum omnium communis pessima sarcina schisma est. haec saepe iam diximus. exhibe igitur non episcoporum nomina, sed imperatorum ac iudicum nostrorum, qui uos persequendo perierunt. hoc enim proposueras, hoc promiseras, ad hoc nos intentissimos feceras. audi, inquis: perit Macari-us, perit Ursatius cunctique comites uestri dei pariter uindicta perierunt . duos solos commemorasti, quorum neuter imperator fuit.
Concerning whom we too are wont to reply: 'Either you do not prove it, and it concerns no one; or you prove it, and it does not concern us.' For each bore his own burden, whether good or bad; and the good indeed we believe, but of whatever sort, still their own—just as your evil men bore neither ours nor you theirs; but the common and most wicked burden of you all is schism. These things we have already often said. Produce, then, not the names of bishops, but of our emperors and judges who perished by persecuting you. For this you had proposed, this you had promised, to this you had made us most attentive. 'Hear,' you say: 'Macarius perished, Ursacius perished, and all your companions likewise perished by the vengeance of God.' You have mentioned two only, of whom neither was an emperor.
論到這些人,我們也慣於回答說:「你們或是不能證明,那就與任何人無干;或是能證明,那就與我們無干。」因為各人擔負自己的擔子,無論好壞;那好的,我們固然相信,但無論是何種,終究是他們自己的——正如你們中作惡的人既不擔負我們的,你們也不擔負他們的;然而你們眾人共有且最邪惡的擔子,乃是分裂。這些話我們已多次說過。那麼,你要拿出來的,不是主教的名字,而是我們那些因逼迫你們而滅亡的皇帝和審判官的名字。這正是你所提出、所應許,並使我們對此極為留意的。你說:「聽著:馬卡里烏斯滅亡了,烏爾撒提烏斯滅亡了,你們的一切同夥也照樣因神的報應而滅亡了。」你只提了兩個人,而其中沒有一個是皇帝。
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cui hoc placeat, quaeso te. tibi ipse nonne displices? promittis quam plures imperatores ac iudices nostros te commemoraturum qui uos persequendo perierint, et tacitis imperatoribus nominas duos uel iudices uel comites. illud enim, quod adiungis: cunctique comites uestri dei pariter uindicta perierunt, ad rem non pertinet. hoc quippe modo iamdudum locum istum finire potuisti, ut omnino neminem nominares. cur ergo imperatores nostros, id est nostrae communionis, non commemorasti? an timuisti, ne reus maiestatis accusareris? ubi est circumcellionica fortitudo? deinde quid agis de illis quos tot superius nominasti, qui rectius tibi possunt dicere:
Whom does this please, I ask you? Are you not yourself displeased with yourself? You promise to mention very many of our emperors and judges who perished by persecuting you, and, with the emperors passed over in silence, you name two men—whether judges or counts. For what you add: 'and all your companions likewise perished by the vengeance of God,' has no bearing on the matter. In this manner you might long ago have brought this passage to an end, so as to name absolutely no one. Why then did you not mention our emperors, that is, of our communion? Or did you fear you would be accused of treason? Where is the Circumcellion courage? Next, what do you make of those whom you named above in such numbers, who can more rightly say to you:
我問你,這叫誰喜歡呢?你自己豈不對自己也不滿嗎?你應許要提出許多我們因逼迫你們而滅亡的皇帝和審判官,卻把皇帝們默然略過,只指名兩個人——或是審判官,或是伯爵。至於你所補上的:「你們的一切同夥也照樣因神的報應而滅亡了」,這與本題毫無干係。照這樣說,你老早就可以把這段話結束了,以致一個人也不必指名。那麼你為何不提我們的皇帝,就是我們團契中的皇帝呢?還是你怕被控以叛逆之罪?循環派(Circumcellion)的勇氣哪裡去了?再者,對於你上文所提名的那許多人,你又當如何應對呢?他們倒更有理由對你說:
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\'quid nos quaerebas?\' causam enim tuam nihil adiuuerunt et tamen nominati sunt. deinde qualis es, qui eos quos perisse commemoras nominare formidas? saltem ipsos iudices uel comites, quos uideris non timuisse, plures nominares. remansisti autem ad Macarium et Ursatium. itane quam plures illi duo isti sunt? an quod pueri didicimus sapis? si enim quaeras ex me, duo quis numerus sit, singularis an pluralis, quid esse respondeam nisi pluralem? sed ad hoc etiam non defit quod dicam. eximo inde Macarium; neque enim dixisti quomodo perierit. an forte, quisquis uos persequitur, nisi in hac terra fuerit inmortalis, quando mortuus fuerit, propter uos mortuus existimabitur?
'Why were you seeking us?' For they helped your cause in nothing, and yet they were named. Next, what sort of man are you, who are afraid to name those whom you record as having perished? At least you might have named more of the judges or counts themselves, whom you evidently did not fear. But you have come to a halt at Macarius and Ursacius. Are those two, then, the 'very many'? Or do you know what we learned as boys? For if you were to ask me what number 'two' is, singular or plural, what should I answer but plural? Yet even to this I do not lack something to say. I take Macarius out of the reckoning; for you did not say how he perished. Or perhaps whoever persecutes you, unless he be immortal in this land, will—when he dies—be thought to have died on your account?
「你為何尋找我們?」因為他們對你的訴求毫無助益,卻仍被指名。再者,你是何等人呢?連你所記載為已滅亡的人,你都不敢指名。至少你所顯然不懼怕的那些審判官或伯爵,你本可多指名幾個。可是你卻停在馬卡里烏斯和烏爾撒提烏斯就打住了。那兩個人就是那「為數眾多」的嗎?還是你連我們孩提時所學的都懂麼?因為你若問我「二」是什麼數目——是單數還是複數——我除了回答複數還能怎樣呢?然而,就連對這一點我也不乏可說之言。我把馬卡里烏斯排除在外;因為你並未說他是怎樣滅亡的。或者,凡逼迫你們的人,除非他在此地是不死的,否則當他死時,就要被認為是因你們的緣故而死嗎?
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quid, si non in tam longo imperio Constantinus et tam longa felicitate uixisset, qui primus aduersus uestrum errorem multa constituit, et quid, si non Iulianus tam cito abreptus esset e uita, qui uobis basilicas dedit, quando ista garrire taceretis, cum et modo tacere nolitis? nec tamen dicimus nos ideo cito mortuum Iulianum, quia uobis basilicas dedit. possumus enim esse in his paiiter copiosi, sed nolumus esse pariter uani. proinde, ut dicere coeperam, ex illis duobus secerno Macarium. cum enim duos proposuisses, ipsum et Ursatium, repetisti nomen Ursatii, ut nobis ostenderes quam mortem meruerit, et dixisti:
What if Constantine, who first decreed many things against your error, had not lived through so long a reign and so long a felicity; and what if Julian, who gave you your basilicas, had not been so quickly snatched from life—when would you keep silent from prattling these things, since even now you refuse to be silent? Yet we do not say that Julian died quickly for the reason that he gave you the basilicas. For we could be equally copious in these matters, but we do not wish to be equally vain. Accordingly, as I had begun to say, of those two men I set Macarius apart. For when you had proposed two, himself and Ursacius, you repeated the name of Ursacius, to show us what death he had deserved, and you said:
倘若那首先針對你們的謬誤定下許多法令的君士坦丁,沒有活過那麼長久的統治和那麼長久的亨通;又倘若那把聖堂賜給你們的猶利安,沒有那麼快地被奪去性命——那時你要何時才停止喋喋不休地說這些呢?既然連如今你們也不肯緘默。然而我們並不說猶利安之所以速死,是因為他把聖堂賜給了你們。因為在這些事上我們同樣能滔滔不絕,只是我們不願同樣地虛妄。因此,正如我先前所開始說的,那兩人中我把馬卡里烏斯分別出來。因為你既提出兩個人——他自己和烏爾撒提烏斯——你便重提烏爾撒提烏斯的名字,向我們顯明他配受何等死,並且說道:
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Ursatium namque barbarica pugna prostratum saeuis unguibus alites canumque auidi dentes morsibus discerpserunt . unde satis apparet, cum de Macario maiorem inuidiam facere soleatis, ita ut nos Macarianos, non Ursatianos appelletis, multo maxime te de illo fuisse dicturum, si de morte eius aliquid tale dicere potuisses. ex his itaque duobus, ubi pluralem numerum posuisti, seiuncto Macario remanet Ursatius, nomen proprium numeri singularis. ubi est igitur tam plurium illorum tam minax et tremenda promissio? Iam illud quam ridiculum sit, qui quoquo modo loqui nouerunt quantum opinor intellegunt, quod, cum dixisses:
'For Ursacius, laid low in barbarian battle, was torn apart by the savage talons of birds and by the greedy teeth and bites of dogs.' From which it appears plainly enough that—since you are wont to stir up greater odium concerning Macarius, so that you call us Macarians and not Ursacians—you would most assuredly have spoken most of all about him, if you had been able to say anything of that sort about his death. And so, of these two, where you set down the plural number, once Macarius is separated off, there remains Ursacius, a proper name of the singular number. Where then is that so menacing and dreadful promise of those 'very many'? And now, how ridiculous this is—as those who have learned to speak at all, I suppose, understand well enough—that, when you had said:
「因為烏爾撒提烏斯在蠻族的戰鬥中被擊倒,遭飛鳥兇殘的爪、以及貪婪的犬齒與撕咬所分屍。」由此便足以顯明:你們既慣於藉馬卡里烏斯激起更大的憤恨,以致稱我們為馬卡里派而非烏爾撒提派,那麼你若能就他的死說出任何這類的話,你必定尤其會大講特講他。因此,這兩人中——你放置複數之處——把馬卡里烏斯分別出來後,剩下的便是烏爾撒提烏斯,一個單數的專有名詞。那麼,那「為數眾多」的、如此恐嚇駭人的應許在哪裡呢?再者,這是何等可笑——凡稍懂言語之人,我想都足以明白——當你說了:
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perit Macarius, perit Ursatius cunctique comites uestri dei pariter uindicta perierunt, tamquam exigentibus (nobis) ut probares, quia re uera nihil aliud uel auditor uel lector exigeret, statim conexuisti magnum documentum, quo probares cunctos comites nostros dei pariter uindicta perisse. Ursatium namque barbarica, inquis, pugna prostratum saeuis unguibus alites canumque auidi dentes morsibus discerpserunt . hoc modo potest alius similiter nesciens quid loquatur dicere omnes episcopos uestros dei uindicta in carcere defecisse, et cum ab eo fuerit flagitatum unde hoc probet, adiungere statim: Optatus namque de satellitio Gildonis accusatus tali genere mortis extinctus est\'.
'Macarius perished, Ursacius perished, and all your companions likewise perished by the vengeance of God,' then—as though we were demanding that you prove it, whereas in truth neither hearer nor reader would demand anything else—you at once appended a great proof, by which you would show that all our companions likewise perished by the vengeance of God. 'For Ursacius,' you say, 'laid low in barbarian battle, was torn apart by the savage talons of birds and by the greedy teeth and bites of dogs.' In this same manner another, likewise not knowing what he is saying, might say that all your bishops perished in prison by the vengeance of God, and when it is demanded of him whence he proves this, might at once add: 'For Optatus, accused of belonging to the retinue of Gildo, was destroyed by such a kind of death.'
「馬卡里烏斯滅亡了,烏爾撒提烏斯滅亡了,你們的一切同夥也照樣因神的報應而滅亡了。」於是——彷彿我們要求你加以證明,其實無論是聽者或讀者都不會另有所求——你就立刻附上一個大證據,藉以證明我們的一切同夥都照樣因神的報應而滅亡。你說:「因為烏爾撒提烏斯在蠻族的戰鬥中被擊倒,遭飛鳥兇殘的爪、以及貪婪的犬齒與撕咬所分屍。」照這樣,另一個同樣不知自己在說什麼的人,也大可以說你們的一切主教都因神的報應而死在獄中;當有人問他憑什麼證明時,他就立刻補上一句:「因為奧普塔圖斯被控屬於吉爾多的黨羽,就以這樣的死法喪命了。」
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has nugas audire et discutere et refellere cogimur; tantum timemus infirmis, ne intellectu tardiore in uestros laqueos celeriter currant. istum autem Ursatium, si forte bene uixit et uere ita mortuus est, consolabitur promissio dei dicentis : sanguinem animarum uestrarum exquiram de manibus omnium bestiarum. Quod autem nobis calumniamini dicentes a nobis in uos ad iracundiam reges saeculi concitari, dum eos non docemus diuinam scripturam, sed potius malitiam nostram suggerimus, non puto eos usque adeo surdos esse aduersus ipsa sanctorum codicum eloquia, ut non potius timeatis ne nouerint ea.
We are compelled to hear these trifles, and to sift and refute them; so greatly do we fear for the weak, lest, with their duller understanding, they run swiftly into your snares. But as for this Ursacius, if by chance he lived well and truly died in that way, the promise of God will console him, who says: I will require the blood of your souls at the hands of all the beasts. As for the calumny you cast upon us, saying that by us the kings of this world are stirred up to wrath against you, since we do not teach them the divine Scripture but rather suggest to them our malice—I do not think that they are so deaf to the very words of the holy codices that you should not rather fear lest they know them.
我們被迫聽取這些無聊之談,並加以篩析與駁斥;我們是何等為那軟弱的人擔憂,唯恐他們因悟性遲鈍,迅速地跌入你們的網羅。但論到這烏爾撒提烏斯,倘若他偶然活得好、又確實是那樣死的,神的應許必安慰他,祂說:我必從一切走獸的手中追討你們性命的血。至於你們毀謗我們,說是我們煽動今世的君王向你們發怒,因為我們不把神的聖經教導他們,反倒向他們獻上我們的惡意——我倒不以為他們對聖經的話語那樣充耳不聞,以致你們不該更加懼怕他們竟知曉這些話。
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sed uelitis nolitis, intrant ecclesiam et si nos tacemus lectoribus admouent aurem atque, ut de ceteris taceam, istum ipsum plerumque psalmum quem tu commemorasti intentissime accipiunt. dixisti enim, quod eos non doceamus nec eos uolentes sinamus ut nouerint quod scriptum est: et nunc, reges, intellegite, erudimini qui iudicatis terram, seruite domino in timore et exultate ei cum tremore, apprehendite disciplinam, ne quando irascatur dominus et cetera. credite et ista cantari et illos audire, sed utique audiunt et illud superius in eodem psalmo, quod tu, ni fallor, propterea praeterire noluisti, ne timuisse intellegereris. audiunt ergo et illud: dominus dixit ad me:
But whether you will or not, they enter the church, and even if we are silent they lend an ear to the readers and—to say nothing of the rest—they most attentively receive this very psalm which you cited. For you said that we do not teach them, nor allow them, though willing, to know what is written: And now, O kings, understand; be instructed, you who judge the earth; serve the Lord in fear, and rejoice in Him with trembling; lay hold of instruction, lest at any time the Lord be angry, and the rest. Believe that these things too are sung, and that those kings hear them; but assuredly they also hear that earlier passage in the same psalm which you, unless I am mistaken, were unwilling to pass over precisely lest you should be understood to have feared it. They hear, then, this too: The Lord said to me:
但你們無論願意與否,他們都進入教會;即便我們緘默,他們仍向誦讀者側耳而聽,並且——別的不必說——他們極其專注地領受你所引用的這篇詩篇。因為你說我們不把所記的教導他們,也不容他們雖願意卻得以知曉:「如今,你們君王啊,當省悟;你們審判世界的,當受教訓。當存畏懼事奉耶和華,又當存戰兢而歡喜。當受教誨,恐怕耶和華發怒」等等。你要相信,這些也在被歌唱,那些君王也在聆聽;他們也必定聽見同一篇詩篇中前面那段話——那段你若我沒弄錯,正是唯恐被看出你曾懼怕它,才不願略過的。所以他們也聽見這話:耶和華曾對我說:
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filius meus es tu, ego hodie genui te. pete a me et dabo tibi gentes hereditatem tuam et possessionem tuam terminos terrae. quo audito utique mirantur esse aliquos qui huic hereditati Christi contradicunt et eam ad exiguam partem terrae redigere conantur, mirantesque fortasse quaerunt propter id quod in consequentibus audiunt: seruite domino in timore, in quo illi seruire possint, in quantum reges sunt. omnes enim homines seruire deo debent, aliter communi condicione qua homines sunt, aliter diuersis donis, quod ille aliud agit in rebus humanis, ille aliud. non enim auferenda idola de terra, quod tanto ante futurum praedictum est, posset quisquam iubere priuatus.
You are my Son, this day have I begotten you. Ask of me, and I will give you the nations for your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for your possession. Having heard this, they surely marvel that there are any who contradict this inheritance of Christ and try to reduce it to a tiny part of the earth; and marveling, they perhaps ask, on account of what they hear in what follows: Serve the Lord in fear—in what way they may serve Him, insofar as they are kings. For all men ought to serve God: in one way by the common condition in which they are men, in another way by their diverse gifts, since one man does one thing in human affairs, another another. For no private person could command that idols be removed from the earth—which was foretold so long before to come to pass.
你是我的兒子,我今日生了你。你求我,我就將列國賜你為基業,將地極賜你為產業。他們聽了這話,必然驚奇竟有人反對基督的這份基業,並企圖把它縮減至地上極小的一隅;他們既驚奇,便或許因所聽見的下文而發問:當存畏懼事奉耶和華——他們既是君王,可以用什麼方式事奉祂。因為人人都當事奉神:一則憑他們同為人的共通身分,一則憑他們各樣不同的恩賜,因為一人在人間之事上做這事,另一人做那事。因為除去地上的偶像——這事早在許久之前就已預言必要成就——絕非任何一個平民所能下令的。
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habent ergo reges excepta generis humani societate eo ipso quo reges sunt, unde sic domino seruiant, quomodo non possunt qui reges non sunt. Ista ergo cum cogitent, audiunt et illud quod de tribus pueris ipse commemorasti et audiunt sollemnitate mirabili. tunc enim eadem scriptura maxime in ecclesia cantatur, quando ipsa festiuitas feruentiores facit etiam eos qui cetero anno pigriores sunt.
Kings, then, apart from their fellowship in the human race, possess—by the very fact that they are kings—a means by which they may so serve the Lord as those who are not kings cannot. When they consider these things, then, they also hear that passage about the three young men which you yourself cited; and they hear it with wondrous solemnity. For that very Scripture is chanted most of all in the church at the time when the festival itself makes even those more fervent who are more sluggish the rest of the year.
因此,君王除了在人類中的同儕身分之外,還憑著他們作君王這一事實,擁有一種途徑,可以如此事奉主,是那不作君王的人所不能的。所以當他們思想這些事時,也聽見你自己所引用的那段論到三個少年人的經文;並且是懷著奇妙的莊嚴聽見的。因為那段經文尤其在教會於某個時節被詠唱,那節期本身連那些一年其餘時候較懶怠的人,也使他們更加火熱。
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quid ergo putatis animi habere christianos imperatores, cum audiunt tres pueros missos in caminum ignis ardentis, quia regi ad iniquitatem adorandi simulacri consentire noluerunt, nisi ut cogitent piam libertatem sanctorum nec regia potestate nec poenae immanitate posse superari gaudeantque se non esse ex numero talium regum, qui contemptores idolorum quasi sacrilegos puniebant?
What state of mind, then, do you suppose Christian emperors have, when they hear of the three young men cast into the furnace of burning fire because they refused to consent to the king in the wickedness of worshiping an image, except that they should consider that the holy men's pious liberty could be overcome neither by royal power nor by the cruelty of punishment; and that they should rejoice that they are not of the number of such kings, who punished the despisers of idols as though they were sacrilegious?
那麼,你想基督徒的皇帝們是何等心境呢?當他們聽見那三個少年人因不肯順從君王去行敬拜偶像的惡事,就被扔進烈火的窯中——他們豈不是要思想:聖徒虔敬的自由,既不能被王權、也不能被刑罰的殘暴所勝過;並且要因自己不在這等君王之列而歡喜——因為那等君王把藐視偶像的人當作褻瀆者加以懲罰?
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porro autem cum in consequentibus audiunt eundem regem non solum puerorum, sed et flammarum deo seruientium tanto miraculo territum etiam ipsum coepisse deo seruire in timore et exultare cum tremore et apprehendisse disciplinam, nonne intellegunt ideo ista esse conscripta et tanta celebritate recitari, ut et seruis dei, ne ad sacrilegium regibus cedant, et ipsis regibus, ut ad religionem deo credant, proponantur exempla? uolentes ergo et isti ex ipsius admonitione psalmi, quem tu quoque inseruisti scriptis tuis, intellegere et erudiri et seruire domino in timore et exultare cum tremore et apprehendere disciplinam, quam intente audiunt quid ille rex postea dixerit.
Furthermore, when in what follows they hear that the same king, terrified by so great a miracle of the young men and even of the flames serving God, himself too began to serve God in fear and to rejoice with trembling and to lay hold of instruction—do they not understand that these things were therefore written down and recited with such great festivity, so that examples might be set forth both for the servants of God, that they should not yield to kings for sacrilege, and for the kings themselves, that they should in religion believe in God? Wishing, then, from the very admonition of the psalm which you too inserted in your writings, both to understand and to be instructed and to serve the Lord in fear and to rejoice with trembling and to lay hold of instruction, how attentively do these men hear what that king afterward said!
再者,當他們在下文聽見那同一位君王,因少年人、甚至事奉神的火焰所行的如此大的神蹟而驚懼,連他自己也開始存畏懼事奉神、存戰兢而歡喜、並且領受教誨——他們豈不明白:這些事之所以被記載下來、又以如此隆重的方式誦讀,正是要為神的僕人立下榜樣,叫他們不因褻瀆之事向君王讓步;也為君王們立下榜樣,叫他們在信仰上信靠神?所以,這些人既願意從你也曾插入你著作中的那篇詩篇的勸誡,去領悟、受教、存畏懼事奉主、存戰兢而歡喜、並領受教誨,他們是何等專注地聽那君王後來所說的話呢!
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dixit enim propositurum se decretum omnibus populis quibus imperitabat, ut, quicumque dixissent blasphemiam in deum Sidrac Misac Abdenago, interirent et domus eorum dispergerentur. et si hoc eum decreuisse cognoscunt, ne blasphemaretur deus temperator ignium et liberator trium puerorum, profecto cogitant quid decernere debeant in regno suo, ne in suis fidelibus idem ipse deus exsuffletur remissor peccatorum et liberator iam totius orbis terrarum. Uide itaque, cum aduersus uos aliquid pro unitate catholica reges christiani constituunt, ne forte in labiis uestris tamquam scripturarum diuinarum imperitos eos arguatis, in corde autem uestro satis doctos esse doleatis.
For he said that he would set forth a decree to all the peoples over whom he ruled, that whoever should speak blasphemy against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego should perish, and their houses be laid waste. And if they learn that he decreed this—that God, the temperer of fires and deliverer of the three young men, should not be blasphemed—assuredly they consider what they ought to decree in their own kingdom, lest that same God, the remitter of sins and now the deliverer of the whole world, should be blown upon in scorn among their own faithful. See, therefore, that when Christian kings decree anything against you on behalf of Catholic unity, you do not perhaps convict them on your lips as ignorant of the divine Scriptures, while in your heart you grieve that they are sufficiently learned.
因為他說,要向他所統治的一切民族頒布一道法令:凡毀謗沙得拉、米煞、亞伯尼歌之神的,必被殺滅,他們的房屋也必被拆毀。他們若得知他頒下此令——即那馴服火焰、拯救三個少年人的神不可被毀謗——便必然思想自己在其國中該頒布什麼法令,免得那同一位神,那赦罪者、如今又是全地的拯救者,竟在他們自己的信徒中被人嗤之以鼻地褻瀆。所以,當基督徒的君王為著大公的合一針對你們頒布什麼法令時,你要留意,免得你在嘴唇上指控他們不通曉神的聖經,心裡卻為他們竟頗有學識而憂傷。
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quis enim ferat istam uestram sacrilegam odiosamque fallaciam, in ipso uno Danihele reges accusare, quia in lacum leonum missus est, et reges non laudare, quia sublimiter honoratus est, cum etiam quando missus est magis eum saluum futurum quam moriturum ipse rex crederet et de illo sollicitus non cenaret? deinde audetis dicere christianis:
For who could endure that sacrilegious and hateful deceit of yours—in the case of Daniel alone, to accuse kings because he was cast into the lions' den, and not to praise kings because he was sublimely honored, when even at the time he was cast in, the king himself believed that he would be saved rather than perish, and, anxious for him, did not dine? Then do you dare to say to Christians:
因為誰能容忍你們那褻瀆而可恨的欺詐——單就但以理一事而論,因他被扔進獅子坑就控告眾王,卻不因他被崇高地尊榮而稱讚眾王?何況即使在他被扔進去之時,那王自己也相信他必得救而非喪命,且因掛念他而不進晚餐。你們竟還敢對基督徒說:
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quid uobis est cum regibus saec-ltli, quia Danihel a rege persecutionem passus est, et non respicere ipsum Danihelem somnia regibus fideliter interpretantem, dominum regem appellantem, munera et honores accipientem, itemque et in eisdem tribus pueris, quod recusantes adorare statuam in flammas missi sunt, inuidiae flammas de regibus excitare, quod autem a rege sic praedicati et sic honorati sunt, tacere et abscondere? ecce rex fuerit persecutor, cum obiecit leonibus Danihelem: quid, cum eo saluo recepto gaudens et gratulans inimicos eius dilaniandos et consumendos eisdem leonibus misit, fuit persecutor an non fuit? uolo respondeas.
'What have you to do with the kings of this world?'—because Daniel suffered persecution from a king—and not to regard that same Daniel faithfully interpreting dreams for kings, calling him lord and king, receiving gifts and honors; and likewise, in the case of those same three young men, because—refusing to worship the statue—they were cast into the flames, to kindle the flames of odium against kings, but because by the king they were thus proclaimed and thus honored, to keep silent and to conceal it? Behold, the king was a persecutor when he threw Daniel to the lions: what then, when—Daniel being received back safe—he, rejoicing and giving thanks, sent Daniel's enemies to be torn to pieces and consumed by those same lions, was he a persecutor or was he not? I want you to answer.
「你們與今世的君王有何相干?」——因為但以理曾被一位王逼迫——卻不顧念那同一位但以理忠信地為眾王解夢、稱王為主、領受禮物與尊榮;並且同樣地,論到那三個少年人,因他們拒絕敬拜像而被扔進火焰,你們就藉此對眾王燃起憤恨的火焰,而他們卻因王如此宣揚、如此尊榮,你們便緘默隱瞞?看哪,那王把但以理扔給獅子時是逼迫者:那麼,當但以理平安獲救、他歡喜感謝,把但以理的仇敵扔給那同一群獅子撕碎吞吃時,他是逼迫者還是不是逼迫者呢?我要你回答。
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si enim fuit, cur ei Danihel ipse non restitit, cum praesertim tanta familiaritate facillime potuisset? et nobis dicitis, ut reges ab hominum persecutione reuocemus! si autem propterea persecutor non fuit, quia scelus in sanctum uirum commissum iustissime uindicauit, quomodo uindicandum est a regibus, quod Christi sacramenta exsufflantur, si prophetae membra, quia in periculum missa sunt, sic uindicari meruerunt? item concedo et manifestum est persecutorem fuisse regem, cum tres pueros, quod simulacrum adorare noluerint, misit in flammam; sed quaero utrum fuerit persecutor, cum illud decretum proposuit, ut interirent et domus eorum uastarentur qui blasphemarent unum uerum deum.
For if he was, why did Daniel himself not resist him, especially since with such great familiarity he could most easily have done so? And you tell us to recall kings from the persecution of men! But if he was not a persecutor on that account—because he most justly avenged the crime committed against the holy man—how is it to be avenged by kings that the sacraments of Christ are blown upon in scorn, if the prophet's limbs, because they were sent into peril, deserved to be thus avenged? Again, I grant, and it is manifest, that the king was a persecutor when he cast the three young men into the flame because they refused to worship the image; but I ask whether he was a persecutor when he set forth that decree, that they should perish and their houses be laid waste who blasphemed the one true God.
因為他若是逼迫者,但以理自己為何不抵擋他?何況以他們如此親密的關係,他本可極其容易地那樣做。而你們卻叫我們把眾王從逼迫世人一事上勸阻回來!但他若不因那事而算為逼迫者——因為他極公正地為那向聖人所犯的罪行伸冤——那麼,倘若先知的肢體因被置於危險中,就配得如此伸冤,難道基督的聖禮被人嗤之以鼻地褻瀆,眾王卻不當為此伸冤嗎?再者,我承認,並且顯而易見,那王把三個少年人扔進火焰、因他們拒絕敬拜像,這時他是逼迫者;但我問,當他頒下那道法令——凡毀謗獨一真神的必被殺滅、其房屋必被拆毀——這時他是不是逼迫者呢?
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si enim persecutor fuit, cur ad uerba persecutoris respondetis \'amen\'? ei autem non fuit, cur eos persecutores dicitis, qui uos a blasphemiae furore deterrent? si enim cogunt uos supplicare idolo, illi sunt similes impio regi, uos tribus pueris; si autem prohibent repugnare Christo, uos estis impii, si hoc facitis. quid sint autem illi, si hoc terribiliter uetant, ego non dico: tu inueni aliud quod dicas, si pios imperatores non uis dicere. Si haec exempla de Danihele et tribus pueris ego commemorassem, fortasse resisteres et in haec nostra tempora ex illis temporibus sumi non debuisse clamares. deo gratias, quod ea ipse posuisti ad id quidem quod uolebas;
For if he was a persecutor, why do you answer 'Amen' to the words of a persecutor? But if in this he was not, why do you call those persecutors who deter you from the frenzy of blasphemy? For if they compel you to supplicate an idol, they are like the impious king, and you are like the three young men; but if they forbid you to fight against Christ, you are the impious ones, if you do this. But what those men are, if they terribly forbid this, I do not say: find yourself something else to say, if you are unwilling to call the emperors pious. If I had cited these examples of Daniel and the three young men, perhaps you would resist and cry out that they ought not to be taken from those times into these our times. Thanks be to God, that you yourself set them down for the very thing you wished;
因為他若是逼迫者,你們為何對一個逼迫者的話說「阿們」呢?但他若在這事上不是逼迫者,你們為何稱那些勸阻你們不陷入褻瀆狂熱的人為逼迫者呢?因為他們若強迫你們向偶像懇求,他們就像那不虔的王,而你們就像那三個少年人;但他們若禁止你們與基督爭戰,那麼你們若行此事,你們才是不虔的人。至於那些人若如此嚴厲地禁止此事,究竟算什麼,我不說:你若不願稱那些皇帝為虔敬的,就自己另找話說吧。倘若是我引用了但以理和三個少年人的這些例子,或許你會抗拒,並高喊說不當把那些時代的事搬到我們如今的時代。感謝神,你自己竟為著你所想要的用途把它們擺了出來;
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sed uides ea potius ualuisse ad id quod nolebas. an non est ista uestra fallacia, sed error humanus est? utinam ita sit! emenda ergo. ne timeas, non inde eris minor; immo uero maioris ingenii est animositatis flammas confitendo extinguere quam falsitatis nebulas intellegendo uitare. Petilianus dixit: Ubi lex dei, ubi christianitas uestra est, si caedes et mortes facitis ac iubetis? Augustinus respondit: Ad hoc uide quid dicant coheredes Christi per totum orbem terrarum. caedes et mortes nec facimus nec iubemus: et ista facientibus multo soeleratius saeuitis, qui haec in hominum mentibus contra uitam aeternam committitis. Petilianus dixit: Si amicos nos uultis, quare inuitos atlrahitis?
but you see that they have rather availed for the very thing you did not wish. Or is this not your deceit, but human error? Would that it were so! Amend it, then. Do not fear; you will not thereby be lessened; nay rather, it is the mark of a greater mind to extinguish by confession the flames of animosity, than by cleverness to avoid the mists of falsehood. Petilian said: Where is the law of God, where is your Christianity, if you commit and command slaughters and deaths? Augustine answered: To this, see what the co-heirs of Christ throughout the whole world say. We neither commit nor command slaughters and deaths; and you rage far more wickedly against those who do these things, you who commit these things in the minds of men against eternal life. Petilian said: If you wish us to be your friends, why do you drag us in unwilling?
但你看見,它們反倒有助於你所不願的那件事。或者這不是你的欺詐,而是人的過失?但願如此!那就改正吧。不要懼怕,你不會因此變得卑小;恰恰相反,藉認錯來撲滅敵意的火焰,比藉機巧來躲避虛謊的迷霧,更是心胸偉大的標記。彼提利安說:神的律法在哪裡?你們的基督信仰在哪裡?如果你們施行並命令屠殺與死刑?奧古斯丁答道:對此,且看基督遍佈全世界的同承受人怎麼說。我們既不施行、也不命令屠殺與死刑;而你們對那些行這些事的人卻更加邪惡地肆虐——你們竟在世人心中做出這些危害永生的事。彼提利安說:你們若願我們作朋友,為何強拉我們這不願意的人?
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si autem inimicos fingitis, cur occiditis inimicos ? Augustinus respondit: Nec inuitos attrahimus nec occidimus inimicos, sed quaecumque uobiscum agimus, quamquam uobis agamus inuitis, ex caritate tamen agimus, ut uolentes uos corrigatis correctique uiuatis. nam nemo ui(tia) uit(at) inuitus: et tamen puer ut hoc uolens discat inuitus uapulat, et hoc plerumque ab homine carissimo. et haec quidem uobis reges dicerent, si ferirent; ad hoc enim eorum potestas diuinitus ordinata est. sed cum et isti non feriunt, uos clamatis. Petilianus dixit: Quae autem ratio est quaeue inconstantia uanitatis, quod, cum nos falso uocabulo dicatis haereticos, communionem nostram magnopere cupiatis ?
But if you feign us to be enemies, why do you kill your enemies? Augustine answered: We neither drag in the unwilling nor kill enemies, but whatever we do with you—though we do it to you unwilling—we nevertheless do it out of charity, that you may willingly correct yourselves and, being corrected, may live. For no one avoids vices unwillingly: and yet a boy, in order that he may willingly learn this, is beaten unwilling, and that often by a most dear person. And these things indeed the kings would say to you, if they were to strike; for to this end their power has been divinely ordained. But when even they do not strike, you cry out. Petilian said: But what reason is there, or what inconstancy of vanity, that, while you call us heretics by a false name, you greatly desire our communion?
但你們若假裝我們是仇敵,又為何殺害仇敵呢?奧古斯丁答道:我們既不強拉不願意的人,也不殺害仇敵;而是無論我們對你們做什麼——縱使是對你們這不願意的人做——我們仍是出於愛而做,好叫你們甘願改正自己,且既經改正就得存活。因為沒有人是不情願地戒除惡習的:然而一個孩子,為要甘願學會這事,卻是在不情願中挨打的,而且往往是被至親之人所打。這些話,眾王倘若動手責打,本會對你們說;因為他們的權柄正是為此而由神所設立的。但即便他們並不責打,你們卻仍呼喊。彼提利安說:既然你們用虛假的名稱把我們叫作異端,卻又如此渴慕我們的團契,這是何等的道理、或何等虛妄的反覆無常呢?
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Augustinus respondit: Si haereticorum communionem magnopere cuperemus, corrigi uos ab haeretico errore nollemus; cum autem hoc uobiscum agamus, ne sitis haeretici, quomodo haereticorum communionem magnopere cupimus? dissensio quippe uos et diuisio facit haereticos, pax uero et unitas facit catho.licos. cum ergo inde huc uenitis, desinitis esse quod odimus et incipitis esse quod amamus. Petilianus dixit: Eligite tandem de duobus alterum quid dicatis. si innocentia uobis est, cur nos ferro sectamini? aut si reos nos dicitis, quid nos quaeritis innocentes ? Augustinus respondit:s o acutissimam complexionem an potius ineptissimam loquacitatem?
Augustine answered: If we greatly desired the communion of heretics, we should be unwilling that you be corrected from your heretical error; but since we do this with you—that you should not be heretics—how do we greatly desire the communion of heretics? For dissension and division make you heretics, but peace and unity make Catholics. When, therefore, you come hither from thence, you cease to be what we hate and begin to be what we love. Petilian said: Choose at last, of two things, which of them you say. If innocence is yours, why do you pursue us with the sword? Or if you call us guilty, why do you seek us who are innocent? Augustine answered: O most keen dilemma—or rather, most inept loquacity!
奧古斯丁答道:我們若如此渴慕異端的團契,就必不願你們從異端的謬誤中得改正;可是既然我們與你們所做的,正是要你們不作異端,我們又怎能如此渴慕異端的團契呢?因為分歧與分裂使你們成為異端,而和平與合一使人成為大公信徒。所以,當你們從那邊到這邊來時,你們就不再是我們所恨惡的,而開始成為我們所喜愛的。彼提利安說:你們終究要從二者中擇一而言。你們若是無辜的,為何用刀劍追逼我們?你們若說我們有罪,又為何尋找我們這無辜之人?奧古斯丁答道:噢,何等犀利的兩難之論——倒不如說,是何等拙劣的饒舌!
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nonne ibi proponi solet ut eligatur alterum de duobus quod respondeatur, ubi utrumque non potest eligi? nam si mihi proponeres, ut eligerem alterum de duobus quid dicerem, utrum innocentes an nocentes simus, uel rursus ex aliis duobus, utrum rei sitis (an non sitis), non possem nisi unum eligere quod dicerem. nunc uero proponis haec duo, utrum nos innocentes simus an uos rei sitis, et uis ut unum ex his duobus eligam quod respondeam. at ego nolo unum dicere, quia utrumque dico, et nos innocentes et uos reos.
Is it not the custom to propose that one of two things be chosen as the answer, precisely where both cannot be chosen? For if you were to propose to me that I choose one of two things to say—whether we are innocent or guilty—or again, out of two others, whether you are guilty or are not—I could not but choose one thing to say. But now you propose these two: whether we are innocent or you are guilty, and you wish that I choose one of these two to answer. Yet I refuse to say one, because I say both—that we are innocent and that you are guilty.
難道不是慣例:唯有在二者不能兼取之處,才提議從兩樣中擇一作答嗎?因為你若向我提議,要我從兩樣中擇一而言——我們是無辜還是有罪——或者再從另外兩樣中——你們是有罪還是無罪——我就非擇其一而言不可。可是如今你所提出的是這兩樣:是我們無辜,還是你們有罪;而你願我從這兩樣中擇一作答。然而我卻不肯只說一樣,因為我兩樣都說——就是我們無辜、而你們有罪。
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nos esse innocentes dicimus a falsis et calumniosis criminationibus uestris, quicumque in catholica possumus salua conscientia dicere nec sanctos codices nos tradidisse nec idolorum supplicationibus consensisse nec quemquam occidisse uel si quid aliud mali soletis obicere, nec eos qui forte, quod quidem nec de ipsis probastis, ista fecerunt, contra nos regnum caelorum, sed contra se ipsos clausisse, quia unusquisque nostrum sarcinam suam portat — ecce habes unum —, et uos omnes nocentes et sceleratos esse, non alios aliorum criminibus quae apud uos a quibusdam committuntur et a quibusdam reprehenduntur, sed crimine schismatis, a quo immanissimo sacrilegio nemo uestrum se potest dicere immunem, quamdiu non.
We say that we are innocent of your false and calumnious accusations, whoever of us in the Catholic Church can say with a safe conscience that we neither surrendered the holy codices, nor consented to the supplications of idols, nor killed anyone, or whatever other evil you are wont to charge; and that those who by chance did these things—which indeed you have not even proved of them—shut the kingdom of heaven not against us, but against themselves, because each one of us bears his own burden—behold, you have one point—; and that you are all guilty and criminal, not by the crimes of some against others, which are committed among you by certain persons and reprehended by certain persons, but by the crime of schism, from which most monstrous sacrilege none of you can say he is exempt, so long as he does not
我們說,就你們那虛假而毀謗的控告而言,我們是無辜的——凡我們在大公教會中,能憑無虧的良心說我們既未交出聖經、未附和向偶像的懇求、未殺害任何人,或你們慣於指控的其他任何惡事的人;並且說,那些偶然行了這些事的人(你們其實連對他們也未曾證實過),並非向我們、乃是向他們自己關閉了天國,因為我們各人擔負自己的擔子——看哪,這是你的一點;並且說,你們眾人都有罪、都是罪犯,不是因某些人對另一些人所犯、在你們中間由某些人所行、又被某些人所責的罪,而是因分裂之罪——就是那極其兇殘的褻瀆,只要你們中沒有一人肯與眾民族的合一相通,除非被迫承認那從耶路撒冷開始、遍傳萬邦的教會、說基督曾說謊,便沒有人能說自己在這罪上是清白的——
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communicat unitati omnium gentium, nisi cogatur dicere de ecclesia, quae per omnes gentes diffunditur incipiens ab Hierusalem, Christum fuisse mentitum — ecce habes alterum. ecce reddidi tibi duo, quorum tu uolebas ut unum diceremus. utique attendere debuisti utrumque a nobis posse dici et saltem, si hoc uolebas, rogare nos ut unum diceremus, cum uideres quia utrumque possemus. Sed, si innocentia uobis est, inquis, cur nos ferro sectamini ? respicite paululum cateruas uestras, quae non antiquo more parentum suorum solis fustibus armantur, sed et secures et lanceas et gladios addiderunt, et agnoscite quorum potius uox esse debeat: quid nos ferro sectamini?
communicate with the unity of all nations, unless he be compelled to say of the Church—which is spread through all nations, beginning from Jerusalem—that Christ lied—behold, you have the other point. See, I have rendered you the two, of which you wished that we should say one. Surely you ought to have observed that both could be said by us, and at least, if you wished this, to have asked us to say one, since you saw that we could say both. 'But if innocence is yours,' you say, 'why do you pursue us with the sword?' Look for a moment at your own bands, which are armed not, after the ancient custom of their fathers, with clubs alone, but have added both axes and lances and swords; and recognize whose voice this ought rather to be: Why do you pursue us with the sword?
(承上)除非被迫承認那從耶路撒冷開始、遍傳萬邦的教會、說基督曾說謊——看哪,這是另一點。看,我已把那兩樣還給了你,就是你所願我們只說其一的。你本當留意,這兩樣我們都能說;至少你若有意,就當求我們只說一樣,既然你看見我們兩樣都能說。你說:「但你們若是無辜的,為何用刀劍追逼我們?」你且看片刻你們自己的黨眾——他們的武裝不再按其先祖古時的慣例只用棍棒,而是加上了斧、矛與刀劍;並要認清這話更該出自誰的口:你們為何用刀劍追逼我們?
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aut si reos nos, inquis, dicitis, quid nos quaeritis innocentes ? hic breuiter respondeo: ideo quaerimini rei ab innocentibus, ut desinatis esse rei et incipiatis esse innocentes. ecce utrumque elegi nostrum et ad uestrum utrumque respondi. modo tu elige unum de duobus: innocentes estis an nocentes? neque potes utrumque dicere, sed dic utrumque, si hoc placet. certe enim non potestis in eadem causa esse innocentes in qua estis nocentes. si ergo innocentes estis, nolite mirari quod ad pacem quaerimini a fratribus; si autem nocentes, nolite mirari quod ad poenam quaerimini a regibus.
'Or if you call us guilty,' you say, 'why do you seek us who are innocent?' Here I answer briefly: for this reason are you sought as guilty by the innocent, that you may cease to be guilty and begin to be innocent. Behold, I have chosen both of ours and have answered both of yours. Now you choose one of the two: are you innocent or guilty? You cannot say both; but say both, if that pleases you. For assuredly you cannot in the same cause be innocent, in which you are guilty. If, then, you are innocent, do not marvel that you are sought for peace by brethren; but if guilty, do not marvel that you are sought for punishment by kings.
你說:「你們若稱我們為有罪,又為何尋找我們這無辜之人?」在此我簡要作答:你們之所以被無辜的人當作有罪者尋找,正是要你們不再有罪、開始成為無辜。看哪,我已從我們的兩樣中都作了選擇,也對你們的兩樣都作了回答。如今你要從兩樣中擇一:你們是無辜還是有罪?你不能兩樣都說;但你若願意,就兩樣都說吧。因為你們斷不能在同一件事上,既是有罪、又是無辜。那麼,你們若是無辜的,就不必詫異弟兄們為和平尋找你們;你們若是有罪的,也不必詫異眾王為刑罰尋找你們。
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