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2-8:1
Ἐπειδὴ δὲ πόθος ἐστί σοι περὶ τῆς τῶν κακῶν γενέσεως ζητεῖν, ἐπὶ τὸν τούτων ἐλεύσομαι λόγον. καί σου βραχέα πυθέσθαι βούλομαι. — τὰ κακὰ πότερον οὐσίαι σοι δοκοῦσιν εἶναι ποιότητες ουσιων; ΟΥΑΔ. Ποιότητες οὐσιῶν εὐ ἔχειν λέγειν μοι δοκεῖ. ΟΡΘΟΔ. δὲ ὕλη ἀποιος ἦν καὶ ἀσχημάτιστος; ΟΥΑΔ. Οὕτως προλαβὼν ἐξεῖπον τῷ λόγῳ
你既渴慕探究惡的起源,我就來到對這些的討論。我也想從你學得幾件事。——惡於你看來是本質,還是本質的質?瓦倫提尼安: 於我看來,稱它們為本質的質乃是妥當的。正統者: 物質又是無質、無形的麼?瓦倫提尼安: 我在論點裡確曾先入為主地這樣說。
Since you have a longing to inquire concerning the origin of evils, I will come to the discussion of these. And I wish to learn a few things from you. — Do the evils seem to you to be substances, or qualities of substances? VALENTINIANUS: It seems to me well said to call them qualities of substances. ORTHODOXUS: And was matter quality-less and formless? VALENTINIANUS: So I declared, taking it for granted, in the argument.
2-8:2
ΟΡΘΟΔ. Οὑκοῦν εἰ τὰ κακὰ ποιότητες ὑπάρχουσιν οὐσιῶν, δὲ ὕλη ἄποιος ἦν, τῶν δὲ ποιοτήτων ποιητὴν εἶπας τὸν θεὸν εἶναι, ἔσται καὶ τῶν κακῶν δημιουργὸς θεός. ὅτε τοίνυν οὑδ' οὕτως ἀναίτιον τῶν κακῶν δυνατὸν εἰπεῖν τὸν θεόν, ὕλην αὐτῷ προσάπτειν περιττὸν εἶναί μοι δοκεῖ. εἰ δέ τι πρὸς ταῦτα λέγειν ἔχεις, ἄρχου τοῦ λόγου. — εἰ μὲν ἐκ φιλονεικίας ἡμῖν ζήτησις ἐγίνετο, οὐκ ἂν δεύτερον περὶ τῶν κακῶν ἠξίουν ὁρίζεσθαι· ἐπεὶ δὲ φιλίας ἕνεκα μᾶλλον καὶ τῆς πρὸς τὸν πλησίον ὠφελείας τὴν ἐξέτασιν ποιούμεθα τῶν λόγων, ἄνωθεν περὶ τούτων ὁρίζεσθαι ἀξιῶ συγχωρεῖν
正統者: 那麼,惡若是本質的質,物質又是無質的,而你說神是眾質的製造者,那麼神也要成為惡的工匠了。既然連這樣也不能說神對惡無干,於我看來,為祂附加物質乃是多餘的。但你若對此有甚麼要說的,就請開始論證。——我們的探究若是出於爭辯,我就不會求第二次界定關於惡的事;但我們既是為著友誼,並為著鄰舍的益處而作這論證的察驗,我便求你允許從頭界定關於這些的事。
ORTHODOXUS: Then if the evils are qualities of substances, and matter was quality-less, and you said God is the maker of the qualities, then God will also be the craftsman of the evils. Since, then, not even thus is it possible to call God free of responsibility for evils, it seems to me superfluous to attach matter to Him. But if you have anything to say against this, begin the argument. — If our inquiry were arising out of contentiousness, I would not ask to define a second time concerning the evils; but since we make the examination of arguments for the sake of friendship rather, and of benefit to one's neighbor, I ask you to allow defining from the beginning concerning these.
2-8:3
ΟΥΑΔ. Τὴν μὲν προαίρεσιν τὴν ἐμὴν ἐκ πολλοῦ σοι φανερὰν εἶναι δοκῶ καὶ τὴν ἐν τοῖς λόγοις σπουδήν, ὅτι οὐ πιθανῶς εἰπὼν ψεῦδος νικῆσαι θέλω, ἀλλὰ δειχθῆναι τὴν ἀλήθειαν μετὰ ἀκριβοῦς ἐξετάσεως, καὶ σὲ δὲ οὔτω διακεῖσθαι σαφῶς ἐπίσταμαι· ὅθεν οἵῳ τρόπῳ χρώμενος νομίζεις δύνασθαι τὸ ἀληθὲς εὑρεῖν, τούτῳ χρῆσαι μηδὲν δυσωπούμενος. οὐ γὰρ σεαυτὸν ὠφελήσεις μόνον χρησάμενος τῷ κρείττονι, ἀλλὰ πάντως κἀμὲ περὶ ὧν ἀγνοῶ σαφῶς
瓦倫提尼安: 我想我的志向早已向你顯明,連我在討論中的殷勤也是如此:我不願藉著說似是而非的謊言取勝,乃願真理藉精確的察驗得以顯明;我也清楚看出你也是這樣存心的。因此,凡你認為能尋得真理的方法,就請使用,毫不羞怯。因為你採用那更美的途徑,不單益了你自己,必定也在我所不知的事上益了我。
VALENTINIANUS: My resolve, I think, has long been clear to you, as well as my zeal in the discussion: that I do not wish to win by speaking a plausible falsehood, but that the truth be shown forth with accurate examination; and I clearly perceive that you too are so disposed. Wherefore, in whatever manner you think you can find the truth, use that, abashed by nothing. For you will benefit not only yourself by using the better course, but assuredly me as well, concerning the things of which I am ignorant.
2-8:4
ΟΡΘΟΔ. Παρστῆσαί μοι δοκεῖς καὶ τὰ κακὰ οὐσίας ὑπάρχειν τινάς· οὐ γὰρ ἐκτὸς οὐσιῶν αὐτὰ ὅντα βλέπω. ἐπεὶ τοίνυν, οὑτος, καὶ τὰ κακὰ οὐσίας εἶναι λέγεις, ἀνάγκη τὸν τῆς οὐσίας ἐξετάζειν λόγον. δοκεῖ σοι τὴν οὐσίαν σωματικήν τινα σύστασιν εἶναι; ΟΥΑΔ. Δοκεῖ
正統者: 於我看來,你也在把惡呈現為某些本質;因為我看不出它們是甚麼脫離本質而存在之物。那麼,好朋友,你既說惡也是本質,就必須察驗本質的定義。本質於你看來是某種有形體的組成麼?瓦倫提尼安: 是的。
ORTHODOXUS: You seem to me to be presenting the evils too as being certain substances; for I do not see them being anything apart from substances. Since, then, my good man, you say that the evils too are substances, it is necessary to examine the account of substance. Does it seem to you that substance is a certain bodily constitution? VALENTINIANUS: It does.
2-8:5
ΟΡΘΟΔ. δὲ σωματικὴ σύστασις αὐτὴ ἐφ ἑαυτῆς ὑπάρχει οὐ δεομένη τινὸς οὗ γενομένου τὸ εἶναι λήψεται; ΟΥΑΔ. Οὕτως ἔχει
正統者: 而那有形體的組成本身是憑自己存在的,不需要某物、惟有當那物生成時才得其存有麼?瓦倫提尼安: 正是如此。
ORTHODOXUS: And does the bodily constitution itself exist by itself, not needing something upon whose coming-to-be it will receive its being? VALENTINIANUS: So it is.
2-8:6
ΟΡΘΟΔ. δοκεῖ δέ σοι τὰ κακὰ ἐνεργείας εἶναί τινος; ΟΥΑΛ. Οὕτω μοι φαίνεται
正統者: 惡於你看來是某物的活動麼?瓦倫提尼安: 於我看來如此。
ORTHODOXUS: And do the evils seem to you to be the activities of something? VALENTINIANUS: So it appears to me.
2-8:7
ΟΡΘΟΔ. Αἱ δὲ ἐνέργειαι τότε τὸ εἶναι λαμβάνουσιν, ὁπότ' ἂνὸ ἐνεργῶν παρῇ; ΟΥΔΔ. Οὕτως ἔχει
正統者: 而那些活動是在那行動者在場時才得其存有麼?瓦倫提尼安: 正是如此。
ORTHODOXUS: And the activities receive their being then, whenever the one who is active is present? VALENTINIANUS: So it is.
2-8:8
ΟΡΘΟΔ. Οὐκ ὄντος δὲ τοῦ ἐνεργοῦντος, οὐδ ὅπερ ἐνεργεῖ ἐσται ποτέ; ΟΥΑΛ. Οὐκ ἔσται
正統者: 而當那行動者不存在時,他所作的也永不存在麼?瓦倫提尼安: 它必不存在。
ORTHODOXUS: And when the one who is active does not exist, neither will that which he does ever exist? VALENTINIANUS: It will not.
2-8:9
ΟΡΘΟΔ. Οὑκοῦν εἰἠ οὐσία σωματική τίς ἐστι σύστασις, δὲ σωματικὴ σύστασις οὐ δεῖταί τινος ἐνᾠ γενομένη τὸ εἶναι λήψεται, τὰ δὲ κακὰ ἐνέργειαι ὑπάρχουσί τινος, οἱ δὲ ἐνέργειαι δέονταί τινος ἐνᾠ γενόμεναι τὸ εἶναι λαμβάνουσιν, οὐκ ἔσονται <αὐταὶ αἱ> οὐσίαι τὰ κακά
正統者: 那麼,本質若是某種有形體的組成,而那有形體的組成不需要某物、惟有當它生成時才得其存有;惡卻是某物的活動,而那些活動需要某物、惟有當它生成時才得其存有;那麼惡就不是本質了。
ORTHODOXUS: Then if substance is a certain bodily constitution, and the bodily constitution does not need something upon whose coming-to-be it will receive its being, while the evils are activities of something, and the activities need something upon whose coming-to-be they receive their being, then the evils will not be substances.
2-8:10
εἰ δὲ οὐσίαι τὰ κακά, κακὸν δὲ φόνος, φόνος, ούσία φόνος· ἀλλὰ μὴν φόνος ἐνέργεια ὑπάρχει τινός, οὐκ ἔστιν ἄρα οὐσία φόνος. εἰ δὲ τὸν ἐνεργοῦντα οὐσίαν εἶναι θέλεις, σύμφημι κἀγώ. οἶον ἄνθρωπος φονεύς, καθ' ὃν μὲν λόγον ἄνθρωπός ἐστιν, ὑπάρχει οὐσία· δὲ φόνος ὃν ποιεῖ οὐκ ἔστιν οὐσία, ἀλλ' ἔργον τι τῆς οὐσίας
但惡若是本質,凶殺又是惡,那麼凶殺就是本質;然而凶殺實是某人的活動——所以凶殺不是本質。但你若願那行動者是本質,我也同意。譬如那兇手,一個人:就他是人而言,他是本質;但他所作的凶殺不是本質,乃是本質的某種工作。
But if the evils are substances, and murder is an evil, then murder is a substance; yet surely murder is the activity of someone — therefore murder is not a substance. But if you wish the one who acts to be a substance, I too agree. For instance, the murderer, a man: insofar as he is a man, he is a substance; but the murder which he does is not a substance, but a certain work of the substance.
2-8:11
λέγομεν γε τὸν ἄνθρωπον ποτὲ μὲν κακὸν διὰ τὸ φονεύειν, ποτὲδ αὖ πάλιν διὰ τὸ εὐεργετεῖν ἀγαθόν. καὶ πέπλεκται ταῦτα τὰ ὀνόματα τῇ οὐσίᾳ ἐκ τῶν συμβεβηκότων αὐτῇ, ἅτινα οὐκ ἔστιν αὐτή. οὔτε γὰρ ἐστὶν φόνος οὐσία οὔτ' αὖ πάλιν ] μοιχεία οὔτε τι τῶν ὁμοίων κακῶν. ἀλλ ὥσπερ ἀπὸ τῆς γραμματικῆς γραμματικὸς λέγεται καὶ ἀπὸ τῆς ῥητορικῆς ῥήτωρ καὶ ἀπὸ τῆς ἰατρικῆς ἰατρός, τῆς οὐσίας οὔτε ἰατρικῆς οὔσης οὔτε μὴν ῥητορικῆς οὔτε γραμματικῆς. ἀλλ ἀπὸ τῶν συμβεβηκότων αὐτῇ τὴν προσηγορίαν λαγβανούσης, ἀφ ὧν οὔτως, ὀνομάζεσθαι δοκεῖ, οὐδ' ὁπότερον αὐτῶν οὐσα, ὁμοίως φαίνεται καὶ ἀπὸ τῶν δοκούντων εἶναι κακῶν τὴν οὐσίαν ὄνομα προσλαμβάνειν, οὐδ ὁπότερον οὖσαν αὐτῶν
我們確實有時稱一個人為惡,因他行凶殺,有時又稱他為善,因他行善。這些名稱乃是從本質的偶有性織入本質的,而這些偶有性並非本質本身。因為凶殺不是本質,姦淫也不是,任何類似的惡也都不是。正如從文法稱人為文法家,從修辭稱人為演說家,從醫術稱人為醫生——而本質既不是醫術,也不是修辭或文法,乃是從它所附帶的偶有性得著稱呼,並從這些彷彿如此被命名,本身卻不是其中任何一樣——照樣,本質也彷彿從那些看似為惡之物取得名稱,本身卻不是其中任何一樣。
Indeed we call a man at one time evil because of committing murder, and at another time again good because of doing good. And these names are woven into the substance from the accidents belonging to it, which are not the substance itself. For neither is murder the substance, nor again adultery, nor any of the like evils. But just as from grammar one is called a grammarian, and from rhetoric an orator, and from medicine a physician — the substance being neither medicine nor rhetoric nor grammar, but receiving its appellation from the accidents belonging to it, from which it thus seems to be named, being itself neither one of them — likewise it appears that the substance also takes its name from things that seem to be evils, being itself neither one of them.
2-8:12
καί μοι ὁμοίως ἐπινόησον, εἴ τινα ἕτερον ἀναπλάττεις ἐν τῷ νῷ τῶν κακῶν τοῖς ἀνθρώποις αἴτιον, ὡς κἀκεῖνος, καθὸ ἐν τούτοις ἐνεργεῖ καὶ ὑποβάλλει ποιεῖν τὰ κακά, ἔστι καὶ αὐτὸς κακὸς ἐξ ὡν ποιεῖ. διὰ τοῦτο γὰρ κἀκεῖνος κακὸς εἶναι λέγεται, ὄτι τῶν κακῶν ἐστι ποιητής. δέ τις ποιεῖ, οὐκ ἔστιν αὐτός, ἀλλ' ἐνέργειαι αὐτοῦ, ἀφ' ὦν τὴν προσηγορίαν τοῦ κακὸς λέγεσθαι λαμβάνεὶ
你也照樣為我構想:你若在心中虛構出某個別的、使人犯惡的禍首——那麼這禍首也是如此,就他在人裡面行動、慫恿人去作惡而言,他自己也因所作之事而為惡。因為這禍首也是為此被稱為惡的,就是因他是惡的製造者。然而人所作的事不是他自己,乃是他的活動,他乃是從這些活動得著「惡」之名的。
And conceive of it likewise for me: if you fashion in your mind some other cause of evils for men — as also that one, insofar as he acts in men and prompts them to do evils, is himself also evil from the things he does. For on this account that one too is said to be evil, because he is the maker of evils. But the things one does are not himself, but his activities, from which he receives the appellation of being called evil.
2-8:13
εἰ γὰρ αὐτὸν ὐπάρχειν εἴποιμεν ἂν ποιεῖ, ποιεῖ δὲ φόνους καὶ μοιχείας καὶ κλοπὰς κοὶ ὄσα τούτοις ὅμοια, αὑτὸς ἔσται ταῦτα. εἰ δὲ ταῦτ ἐστιν αὐτός, ταῦτα δ' ὅτε γίνεται τὴν σύστασιν ἔχει, οὐ γινόμενα δὲ καὶ τοῦ εἶναι παύεται, γίνεται δὲ ταῦτα πρὸς ἀνθρώπων, ἔσονται τούτων οἱ ἄνθρωποι ποιηταὶ καὶ τοῦ εἶναι καὶ τοῦ μηκέτι εἶναι αἴτιοι
因為我們若說他自己就是他所作的事——他既作凶殺、姦淫、偷竊,以及凡類乎這些的——他就要成為這些事。但這些事若就是他自己,而這些事是惟有當生成時才有其組成,不再生成時也就止息存有,又這些事是由人而生成的,那麼人就要成為這些事的製造者,並其存有與不再存有的緣由。
For if we should say that he himself is the things he does — and he does murders and adulteries and thefts and whatever is like these — he will be these things. But if these things are himself, and these things have their constitution whenever they come to be, and ceasing to come to be they also cease to exist, and these things come to be by men, then men will be the makers of these things, and the causes both of their being and of their no-longer-being.
2-8:14
εἰ δὲ ταῦτα αὐτοῦ ἐνεργείας εἶναι φῄς, ἐξ ὡν ποιεῖ τὸ κακὸς εἶναι ἔχει, οὐκ ἐξ ὦν έστιν οὐσία. κακὸν δὲ εἴπομεν λέγεσθαι ἀπὸ τῶν συμβεβηκότων τῇ
但你若說這些事是他的活動,那麼他之為惡乃是出於他所作的事,而非出於那些使他成為本質的事。我們已說過,「惡」乃是從本質所附帶的偶有性而被論定的,
But if you say that these things are his activities, then he has his being evil from the things he does, not from the things by which he is a substance. And we said that 'evil' is predicated from the accidents belonging to the substance,
2-8:15
οὐσίᾳ, ἅτινα οὐκ ἔστιν οὐσία, ὡς ἀπὸ τῆς ἰατρικῆς ἰατρός. εἰ δὲ ἐξ ὡν ἐνεργεῖ κακὸς ὑπάρχει κακός, δὲ ἐνεργεῖ ἀρχὴν τοῦ εἶναι λαμβάνει, ἤρξατο κἀκεῖνος εἶναι κακός, ἤρξατο δὲ καὶ ταυτὶ τὰ κακά. εἱ δὲ οὕτως ἔχει, οὐκ ἔσται ἀνάρχως κακός, οὐδ ἀγένητα τὰ κακά, τῷ γενητὰ πρὸς αὐτοῦ εἶναι φάναι
而這些偶有性並非本質本身,正如醫生是從醫術得名的。但他若是從他所行的事而為惡,而他所作的事取得了存有的開端,那麼這禍首也是開始為惡的,這些惡也是開始存在的。若是這樣,他就不是從永遠就為惡的,惡也不是非受造的,因它們被說成是由他所造成的。
which are not the substance, as the physician is named from medicine. But if he is evil from the things by which he acts, and the things he does take a beginning of being, then that one too began to be evil, and these very evils also began. But if this is so, he will not be evil from eternity, nor are the evils uncreated, by virtue of the fact that they are said to be created by him.
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