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Symposium & Fragments 3-12

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3-12:1
Ὅτι Ὠριγένης μετὰ τὸ πολλὰ μυθήσασθαι περὶ τῆς τοῦ παντὸς ἀïδιότητος ἐπάγει καὶ τοῦτο, Οὔτε οὖν ἀπὸ Ἀδάμ, ὥς φασί τινες, πρότερον οὐκ ὢν ἄνθρωπος τότε πρώτως πλασθεὶς εἰς κόσμον παρῆλθεν, οὔτε αὖ κόσμος πρὸ ἓξ ἡμερῶν τῆς τοῦ Ἀδὰμ γενέσεως ἤρξατο δημιουργεῖσθαι
That Origen, after relating many fables concerning the eternity of the universe, adds this also: 'Neither, then, did man—as some say—not existing before, then first fashioned, come into the world from Adam; nor again did the world begin to be created six days before the generation of Adam.'
論到俄利根,他述說了許多關乎宇宙之永恆的神話後,又補上這一句:「那麼,人並非如某些人所說的,先前並不存在,到那時才頭一次被塑造,從亞當而進入世界的;世界也並非是在亞當生成以前六天才開始被造的。」
3-12:2
εἰ δὲ φιλοφρονοῖτο διαφέρεσθαι πρὸς ταῦτά τις, πρότερον φρασάτω εἰ μὴ εὐαρίθμητος ἀπὸ τῆς τοῦ κόσμου γενέσεως κατὰ τὴν Μωσέως βίβλον τοῖς οῦτως αὐτὴν ἐκλαμβανομένοις χρόνος ἔσται, τῆς προφητικῆς καὶ ἐνθάδε βοώσης φωνῆς ἀπὸ τοῦ αἰῶνος καὶ ἕως τοῦ αἰῶνος σὺ εἶ· ὅτι χίλια ἔτη ἐν ὀφθαλμοῖς σου ὡς ἡμέρα χθές, ἥτις διῆλθε, καὶ φυλακὴ ἐν νυκτί. χιλίων γὰρ ἐτῶν περιοριζομένων εἰς μίαν ἡμέραν ἐν ὀφθαλμοῖς θεοῦ, ἀπὸ τῆς τοῦ κόσμου γενέσεως μέχρι καταπαύσεως.. μέχρις ἡμῶν, ὡς οἱ περὶ ἓξ ἡμέραι συμπεραιοῦνται (ἑξακισχιλιοστὸν
But if anyone should kindly desire to dispute against these things, let him first state whether, according to the book of Moses, the time from the world's generation will not be easily numbered by those who so understand it, when the prophetic voice cries even here: 'From everlasting to everlasting Thou art; for a thousand years in Thine eyes are as the day of yesterday which is past, and as a watch in the night.' For if a thousand years are bounded into one day in the eyes of God, then from the world's generation until the rest... up to our own time, as the six days or so are completed (the six-thousandth...)
但若有人願意好意地反駁這些事,就讓他先說明:照摩西的書,從世界生成起的時日,在那些如此理解之人看來,豈不是容易數算的麼——既然那先知的聲音連在此處也呼喊說:「從亙古到永遠,祢是神;在祢眼中,千年如已過的昨日,又如夜間的一更。」因為千年若在神眼中被限定為一日,那麼從世界的生成直到安息……直到我們這時候,正如那六日左右得以滿足(就是那第六千年……)。
3-12:3
ἓξ ἡμέραι συμπεραιοῦνται (ἑξακισχιλιοστὸν ἄρ' ἔτος φασὶν ἀπὸ Ἀδὰμ εἰς δεῦρο συντείνειν· τῇ γὰρ ἑβδομάδι τῷ ἑπτακισχιλιοστῷ ἔτει κρίσιν ἀφίξεσθαί φασιν). οὐκοῦν αἱ πᾶσαι ἡμέραι δέκα καὶ τρεῖς ἀφ ἡμῶν ἕως εἰς τὴν ἐν ἀρχῇ, ἐνᾖ ἐποίησεν θεὸς τὸν οὐρανὸν καὶ τὴν γῆν, μετροῦνται. ὧν θεὸς άνώτερον κατὰ τὴν σφῶν αὐτῶν ἄνοιαν οὐδὲν ούδαμῶς ἐγεγύμνωτο τοῦ πατὴρ καὶ παντοκράτωρ εἶναι. εἰ δὲ καὶ τρισκαίδεκά εἰσιν ἡμέραι ἐν όφθαλμοῖς θεοῦ ἀπὸ γενέσεως κόσμου, πῶς φησιν ἐν τῷ Σειρὰχ σοφία ἄμμον θαλασσῶν καὶ σταγόνας ὑετοῦ καὶ ἡμέρας αἰῶνος τίς ἐξαριθμήσει; Ταῦτά φησιν Ὠριγένης σπουδάζων, καὶ ὅρα οἷα παίζει
...the six days are completed (they say, then, that the six-thousandth year extends from Adam down to here; for in the seventh, the seven-thousandth year, they say the judgement will arrive). Therefore all the days are reckoned as thirteen, from our own time up to the 'In the beginning' in which God made the heaven and the earth—above which God, according to their own folly, was in no way at all stripped of being Father and Almighty. But if there are thirteen days in the eyes of God from the world's generation, how does the Wisdom in Sirach say, 'The sand of the seas, and the drops of rain, and the days of eternity—who shall number them?' These things Origen says in his eagerness; and observe what manner of things he trifles with.
……那六日得以滿足(他們便說,那第六千年是從亞當延伸到此處的;因為在第七、就是第七千年裏,他們說那審判要臨到)。因此一切的日子算為十三,從我們這時候上溯到那「起初」,就是神創造天地之時——他們照自己的愚昧,認為在這之上,神絕無一刻被剝奪了作父與全能者的身分。但若在神眼中,從世界的生成起只有十三日,那麼《便西拉智訓》中的智慧怎麼說:「海中的沙、雨點,和永世的日子,誰能數算呢?」這些乃是俄利根極力主張的話;你當看,他所戲弄的是何等之事。
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