Apologies & Dialogue 3-60

Greek original · 5 verses · some words can be tapped for a gloss

3-60:1

Καὶ ὁ Τρύφων· Οὐ τοῦτο νοοῦμεν ἀπὸ τῶν λόγων τῶν προλελεγμένων, ἔλεγεν, ἀλλ ὅτι ἄγγελος μὲν ἦν ὁ ὀφθεὶς ἐν φλογὶ πυρός, θεὸς δὲ ὁ ὁμιλῶν τῷ Μωσεῖ, ὥστε καὶ ἄγγελον καὶ θεόν, δύο ὁμοῦ ὄντας, ἐν τῇ τότε ὀπτασίᾳ γεγενῆσθαι

And Trypho said: "We do not understand this from the words just quoted; rather, that the one who appeared in the flame of fire was an angel, but the one who conversed with Moses was God—so that an angel and God, two beings together, were present in that vision at the time."

特來弗說：「我們從剛才所引的話並不這樣理解；倒是覺得：在火焰中顯現的是一位使者，而與摩西說話的是神——這樣，使者和神兩位同時存在於當時的那次異象中。」

3-60:2

Κἀγὼ πάλιν ἀπεκρινάμην· Εἰ καὶ γέγονε τότε, ὦ φίλοι, ὡς καὶ ἄγγελον καὶ θεὸν ὁμοῦ ἐν τῇ ὀπτασίᾳ τῇ τῷ Μωσεῖ γενομένῃ ὑπάρξαι, ὡς καὶ ἀποδέδεικται ὑμῖν διὰ τῶν προγεγραμμένων λόγων, οὐχ ὁ ποιητὴς τῶν ὅλων ἔσται θεὸς ὁ τῷ Μωσεῖ εἰπὼν αὐτὸν εἶναι θεὸν Ἀβραὰμ καὶ θεὸν Ἰσαὰκ καὶ θεὸν Ἰακώβ, ἀλλ ὁ ἀποδειχθεὶς ὑμῖν ὦφθαι τῷ Ἀβραὰμ καὶ τῷ Ἰακώβ, τῇ τοῦ ποιητοῦ τῶν ὅλων θελήσει ὑπηρετῶν καὶ ἐν τῇ κρίσει τῶν Σοδόμων τῇ βουλῇ αὐτοῦ ὁμοίως ὑπηρετήσας· ὥστε, κἂν ὥς φατε ἔχῃ, ὅτι δύο ἦσαν, καὶ ἄγγελος καὶ θεός, οὐ τὸν ποιητὴν τῶν ὅλων καὶ πατέρα, καταλιπόντα τὰ ὑπὲρ οὐρανὸν ἅπαντα. ἐν ὀλίγῳ γῆς μορίῳ πεφάνθαι πᾶς ὁστισοῦν, κἂν μικρὸν νοῦν ἔχων, τολμήσει εἰπεῖν

And I answered again: "Even if it happened then, my friends, that both an Angel and God were present together in the vision that came to Moses—as has indeed been demonstrated to you through the foregoing words—it will not be the Maker of all things who is the God who told Moses that He is the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, but the One who has been shown to you as having appeared to Abraham and to Jacob, ministering to the will of the Maker of all things, and likewise serving His counsel in the judgment of Sodom. So that, even granting it is as you say—that there were two, an Angel and God—no one whatsoever, even one with a little sense, will dare to say that the Maker of all things and Father, leaving all that is above heaven, appeared in a tiny portion of the earth."

我又回答說：「朋友們，就算當時確有一位使者和神一同臨在於摩西所見的異象中——正如前面所引的話已向你們證明的——那向摩西說『我是亞伯拉罕的神、以撒的神、雅各的神』的，也不會是萬有的創造者，乃是那位向你們證明曾向亞伯拉罕和雅各顯現的，祂服事萬有創造者的旨意，並照樣在所多瑪的審判中遵行祂的旨意。因此，即使如你們所說有兩位——一位使者和一位神——任何稍有理智的人也斷不敢說：萬有的創造者、那位父，竟撇下諸天之上的一切，顯現在地上的一小塊地方。」

3-60:3

Καὶ ὁ Τρύφων· Ἐπειδὴ ἤδη προαποδέδεικται ὅτι ὁ ὀφθεὶς τῷ Ἀβραὰμ θεὸς καὶ κύριος ὠνομασμένος ὑπὸ κυρίου τοῦ ἐν οὐρανοῖς λαβὼν τὰ ἐπαχθέντα τῇ Σοδόμων γῇ ἐπήγαγε, καὶ νῦν, κἂν ἄγγελος ἦν σὺν τῷ φανέντι τῷ Μωσεὶ θεῷ γεγενημένος, θεόν, τὸν ἀπὸ τῆς βάτου ὁμιλήσαντα τῷ Μωσεῖ, οὐ τὸν ποιητὴν τῶν ὅλων θεὸν νοήσομεν γεγονέναι, ἀλλ ἐκεῖνον τὸν καὶ τῷ Ἀβραὰμ καὶ τῷ Ἰακὼβ ἀποδειχθέντα πεφανερῶσθαι, ὃς καὶ ἄγγελος τοῦ τῶν ὅλων ποιητοῦ θεοῦ καλεῖται καὶ νοεῖται εἶναι ἐκ τοῦ διαγγέλλειν τοῖς ἀνθρώποις τὰ παρὰ τοῦ πατρὸς καὶ ποιητοῦ τῶν ἁπάντων

And Trypho said: "Since it has already been demonstrated beforehand that the One who appeared to Abraham, named God and Lord, received from the Lord who is in heaven the things brought upon the land of Sodom and inflicted them; even now, granted that an angel was present along with the God who appeared to Moses, we shall understand that the God who conversed with Moses from the bush was not the Maker of all things, but that One who was shown to have been manifested to both Abraham and Jacob, who is also called and understood to be the Angel of the God who is Maker of all things, because He announces to men the things from the Father and Maker of all."

特來弗說：「既然先前已經證明：那向亞伯拉罕顯現、被稱為神和主的，是從天上的主領受了降在所多瑪地上的災禍而施行的；那麼即使如今承認有一位使者與那向摩西顯現的神同在，我們也要明白：從荊棘中與摩西說話的神，並不是萬有的創造者，乃是那位被證明曾向亞伯拉罕和雅各顯現的；祂因向人傳達父——萬有創造者——的事，所以也被稱為、也被理解為萬有創造者神的使者。」

3-60:4

Κἀγὼ πάλιν· Ἤδη μέντοι, ὦ Τρύφων, ἀποδείξω ὅτι πρὸς τῇ Μωσέως ὀπτασίᾳ αὐτὸς οὗτος μόνος, καὶ ἄγγελος καλούμενος καὶ θεὸς ὑπάρχων, ὤφθη καὶ προσωμίλησε τῷ Μωσεῖ. Οὕτως γὰρ ἔφη ὁ λόγος· Ὤφθη δὲ αὐτῷ ἄγγελος κυρίου ἐν πυρὶ φλογὸς ἐκ βάτου· καὶ ὁρᾷ ὅτι ὁ βάτος καίεται πυρί, ὁ δὲ βάτος οὐ κατεκαίετο.Ὁ δὲ Μωσῆς εἶπε· Παρελθὼν ὄψομαι τὸ ὅραμα τοῦτο τὸ μέγα, ὅτι οὐ κατακαίεται ὁ βάτος. Ὡςδ εἶδε κύριος ὅτι προσάγει ἰδεῖν, ἐκάλεσεν αὐτὸν κύριος ἐκ τῆς βάτου

And I again said: "Now then, O Trypho, I will demonstrate that in the vision of Moses this very same One alone, both called Angel and being God, appeared and conversed with Moses. For thus the Scripture says: 'And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the bush; and he sees that the bush is burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. And Moses said: I will go over and see this great sight, why the bush is not consumed. And when the Lord saw that he was drawing near to look, the Lord called to him out of the bush.'"

我又說：「特來弗，現在我要證明：在摩西的異象中，正是這同一位——既被稱為使者、又是神的——獨自顯現並與摩西交談。經上這樣說：『耶和華的使者在荊棘的火焰中向他顯現；他觀看，見荊棘被火燒著，卻沒有燒燬。摩西說：我要過去看這大異象，這荊棘為何沒有燒壞呢。耶和華見他過去要看，神就從荊棘裡呼叫他。』」

3-60:5

Ὃν οὖν τρόπον τὸν τῷ Ἰακὼβ ὀφθέντα κατὰ τοὺς ὕπνους ἄγγελον ὁ λόγος λέγει, εἶτα αὐτὸν τὸν ὀφθέντα κατὰ τοὺς ὕπνους ἄγγελον εἰρηκέναι αὐτῷ, ὅτι Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ θεὸς ὁ ὀφθείς σοι ὅτε ἀπεδίδρασκες ἀπὸ προσώπου Ἠσαῦ τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ σου, καὶ ἐπὶ τοῦ Ἀβραὰμ ἐν τῇ κρίσει τῶν Σοδόμων κύριον παρὰ κυρίου τοῦ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς τὴν κρίσιν ἐπενηνοχέναι ἔφη, οὕτως καὶ ἐνταῦθα ὁ λόγος, λέγων ἄγγελον κυρίου ὦφθαι τῷ Μωσεῖ καὶ μετέπειτα κύριον αὐτὸν ὄντα καὶ θεὸν σημαίνων, τὸν αὐτὸν λέγει ὃν καὶ διὰ πολλῶν τῶν λελεγμένων, τὸν αὐτὸν λέγει ὃν καὶ διὰ πολλῶν τῶν λελεγμένων ὑπηρετοῦντα τῷ ὑπὲρ κόσμον θεῷ, ὑπὲρ ὃν ἄλλος οὐκ ἔστι, σημαίνει

"Just as, then, the Scripture says that the one who appeared to Jacob in his sleep was an angel, and then that this very angel who appeared in his sleep said to him, 'I am the God who appeared to you when you fled from the face of Esau your brother'; and as, in the case of Abraham, in the judgment of Sodom, it said that He as Lord brought the judgment from the Lord who is in heaven—so also here the Scripture, while saying that an Angel of the Lord appeared to Moses, and thereafter signifying that this very One is Lord and God, declares Him to be the same One whom it signifies, through many of the things spoken, to be ministering to the God above the universe, above whom there is no other."

「正如經上說那在雅各睡夢中向他顯現的是一位使者，隨後又說這同一位在睡夢中顯現的使者對他說『我是你逃避你哥哥以掃時向你顯現的神』；又如在亞伯拉罕的事上、在所多瑪的審判中，經上說祂作為主，從天上的主那裡帶來審判——照樣在這裡，經上一面說有耶和華的使者向摩西顯現，隨後又表明這同一位就是主、就是神，宣告祂正是同一位，藉著所說的許多話表明祂服事那超乎宇宙之上、無人能超越的神。」

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