Apologies & Dialogue 3-87

Greek original · 6 verses · some words can be tapped for a gloss

3-87:1

Καὶ ὁ Τρύφων, εἰπόντος μου ταῦτα, ἔφη· Μή με λοιπὸν ὑπολάμβανε, ἀνατρέπειν πειρώμενον τὰ ὑπὸ σοῦ λεγόμενα, πυνθάνεσθαι ὅσα ἂν πυνθάνωμαι, ἀλλὰ βούλεσθαι μανθάνειν περὶ τούτων αὐτῶν ὧν ἂν ἐρωτῶ

And Trypho, when I had said these things, replied: 'Do not henceforth suppose that, in asking whatever I ask, I am trying to overturn the things you say; rather, I wish to learn concerning these very matters about which I inquire.'

我說了這些話，特來弗便回答說：「此後請不要以為我問這些問題，是想要推翻你所說的話；我其實是想要明白我所問的這些事本身。」

3-87:2

Εἰπὲ οὖν μοι, διὰ τοῦ Ἡσαΐου εἰπόντος τοῦ λόγου· Ἐξελεύσεται ῥάβδος ἐκ τῆς ῥίζης Ἰεσσαί, καὶ ἄνθος ἀναβήσεται ἐκ τῆς ῥίζης Ἰεσσαί, καὶ ἀναπαύσεται ἐπ αὐτὸν πνεῦμα θεοῦ, πνεῦμα σοφίας καὶ συνέσεως, πνεῦμα βουλῆς καὶ ἰσχύος, πνεῦμα γνώσεως καὶ εὐσεβείας, καὶ ἐμπλήσει αὐτὸν πνεῦμα φόβου θεοῦ, καὶ ὁμολογήσας ταῦτα πρός με, ἔλεγεν, εἰς Χριστὸν εἰρῆσθαι, καὶ θεὸν αὐτὸν προϋπάρχοντα λέγεις, καὶ κατὰ τὴν βουλὴν τοῦ θεοῦ σαρκοποιηθέντα αὐτὸν λέγεις διὰ τῆς παρθένου γεγεννῆσθαι ἄνθρωπον, πῶς δύναται ἀποδειχθῆναι προϋπάρχων, ὅστις διὰ τῶν δυνάμεων τοῦ πνεύματος τοῦ ἁγίου, ἃς καταριθμεῖ ὁ λόγος διὰ Ἡσαίου, πληροῦται ὡς ἐνδεὴς τούτων ὑπάρχων

'Tell me, then,' he said, 'when the word spoke through Isaiah—"There shall come forth a rod from the root of Jesse, and a flower shall rise up from the root of Jesse, and upon Him shall rest the Spirit of God, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and godliness; and the spirit of the fear of God shall fill Him"—and when you have agreed with me that these things were spoken concerning Christ, and you say that He pre-existed as God and was, according to the will of God, made flesh and born a man through the virgin—how can it be demonstrated that He pre-existed, when He is filled, as though lacking them, by the powers of the Holy Spirit which the word enumerates through Isaiah?'

他說：「那麼請告訴我，當那道藉以賽亞說：『必有一根枝子從耶西的根而出，必有一朵花從耶西的根長起來，神的靈必住在祂身上，就是智慧和聰明的靈、謀略和能力的靈、知識和敬虔的靈；敬畏神的靈也必充滿祂』——你既已向我承認這些話是指著基督說的，又說祂作為神是先存的、並照神的旨意成了肉身、藉童女而生為人——那麼，既然祂是被以賽亞所列舉的聖靈諸般能力所充滿，彷彿是缺乏這些一般，怎能證明祂是先存的呢？」

3-87:3

Κἀγὼ ἀπεκρινάμην· Νουνεχέστατα μὲν καὶ συνετώτατα ἠρώτησας· ἀληθῶς γὰρ ἀπόρημα δοκεῖ εἶναι· ἀλλ ἵνα ἴδῃς καὶ τὸν περὶ τούτων λόγον, ἄκουε ὧν λέγω. Ταύτας τὰς κατηριθμημένας τοῦ πνεύματος δυνάμεις οὐχ ὡς ἐνδεοῦς αὐτοῦ τούτων ὄντος φησὶν ὁ λόγος ἐπεληλυθέναι ἐπ αὐτόν, ἀλλ ὡς ἐπ ἐκεῖνον ἀνάπαυσιν μελλουσῶν ποιεῖσθαι, τουτέστιν ἐπ αὐτοῦ πέρας ποιεῖσθαι, τοῦ μηκέτι ἐν τῷ γένει ὑμῶν κατὰ τὸ παλαιὸν ἔθος προφήτας γενήσεσθαι, ὅπερ καὶ ὄψει ὑμῖν ἰδεῖν ἔστι· μετ ἐκεῖνον γὰρ οὐδεὶς ὅλως προφήτης παρ ὑμῖν γεγένηται

And I answered: 'You have asked most intelligently and shrewdly; for it truly seems to be a difficulty. But that you may understand the explanation concerning these matters, hear what I say. The word does not say that these enumerated powers of the Spirit came upon Him because He lacked them, but as about to make their rest upon that One—that is, to come to their end in Him—so that there would no longer arise prophets among your race according to the ancient custom; which indeed you can see with your own eyes, for after Him no prophet at all has arisen among you.'

我回答說：「你問得極有見識、極為精明，因為這實在看似一個難題。但為叫你明白關於這些事的道理，請聽我所說的。那道並非說聖靈這些被列舉的能力臨到祂是因為祂缺乏這些，乃是說它們要安息在那一位身上——就是要在祂身上達到終點——使你們族中不再照古時的習俗興起先知；這事你們親眼可以看見，因為在祂以後，你們中間絕無先知再興起過。

3-87:4

Καὶ ὅτι οἱ παρ ὑμῖν προφῆται, ἕκαστος μίαν τινὰ ἢ καὶ δευτέραν δύναμιν παρὰ τοῦ θεοῦ λαμβάνοντες, ταῦτα ἐποίουν καὶ ἐλάλουνἃ καὶ ἡμεῖς ἀπὸ τῶν γραφῶν ἐμάθομεν, κατανοήσατε καὶ τὰ ὑπ ἐμοῦ λεγόμενα. Σοφίας μὲν γὰρ πνεῦμα Σολομῶν ἔσχε, συνέσεως δὲ καὶ βουλῆς Δανιήλ, ἰσχύος δὲ καὶ εὐσεβείας Μωσῆς, καὶ Ἡλίας φόβου, καὶ γνώσεως Ἡσαΐας· καὶ οἱ ἄλλοι αὖ ὁμοίως ἢ μίαν ἕκαστος ἢ ἐναλλὰξ ἄλλην τινὰ μετ ἄλλης δυνάμεως ἔσχον, οἶον καὶ Ἱερεμίας καὶ οἱ δώδεκα καὶ Δαυῒδ καὶ οἱ ἄλλοι ἁπλῶς ὅσοι γεγόνασι παρ ὑμῖν προφῆται

'And that your prophets, each receiving some one or perhaps a second power from God, did and spoke these things—which we too have learned from the Scriptures—consider also what I am saying. For Solomon had the spirit of wisdom; Daniel that of understanding and counsel; Moses that of might and godliness; Elijah that of fear; and Isaiah that of knowledge; and the others likewise had each either one power, or alternately some other together with another power—as did Jeremiah, and the twelve, and David, and simply all the others who became prophets among you.'

「至於你們的先知，各人從神領受了某一種、或許第二種能力，便行這些事、說這些話——這是我們也從聖經學來的——也請思想我所說的。所羅門有智慧的靈；但以理有聰明和謀略的靈；摩西有能力和敬虔的靈；以利亞有敬畏的靈；以賽亞有知識的靈；其餘的人也同樣，各人或有一種能力，或交替地有另一種能力連同別的能力——例如耶利米、那十二位、大衛，以及凡在你們中間作過先知的眾人，無不如此。

3-87:5

Ἀνεπαύσατο οὖν, τουτέστιν ἐπαύσατο, ἐλθόντος ἐκείνου, μεθ ὅν, τῆς οἰκονομίας ταύτης τῆς ἐν ἀνθρώποις αὐτοῦ γενομένης χρόνοις, παύσασθαι ἔδει αὐτὰ ἀφ ὑμῶν, καὶ ἐν τούτῳ ἀνάπαυσιν λαβόντα πάλιν, ὡς ἐπεπροφήτευτο, γενήσεσθαι δόματα,ἅ ἀπὸ τῆς χάριτος τῆς δυνάμεως τοῦ πνεύματος ἐκείνου τοῖς ἐπ αὐτὸν πιστεύουσι δίδωσιν, ὡς ἄξιον ἕκαστον ἐπίσταται

'So then He rested—that is, ceased—when that One came; after whom, once this dispensation of His which took place among men in those times had occurred, these gifts had to cease from among you. And having again found their rest in Him, as had been prophesied, they were to become gifts which, out of the grace of the power of that Spirit, He bestows on those who believe in Him, according as He knows each to be worthy.'

「所以祂安息了——就是止息了——當那一位來到的時候；在祂之後，等到祂在那些日子在人間所成就的這安排既已實現，這些恩賜就必從你們中間止息。它們既照所預言的在祂身上重新得了安息，就要成為祂從那靈之能力的恩典中賜下的恩賜，賜給信祂的人，照祂所知各人配得的而賜下。

3-87:6

Καὶ ὅτι ἐπεπροφήτευτο τοῦτο μέλλειν γίνεσθαι ὑπ αὐτοῦ μετὰ τὴν εἰς οὐρανὸν ἀνέλευσιν αὐτοῦ, εἶπον μὲν ἤδη καὶ πάλιν λέγω. Εἶπεν οὖν· Ἀνέβη εἰς ὕψος, ᾐχμαλώτευσεν αἰχμαλωσίαν, ἔδωκε δόματα τοῖς υἱοῖς τῶν ἀνθρώπων. Καὶ πάλιν ἐν ἑτέρᾳ προφητείᾳ εἴρηται· Καὶ ἔσται μετὰ ταῦτα, ἐκχεῶ τὸ πνεῦμά μου ἐπὶ πᾶσαν σάρκα καὶ ἐπὶ τοὺς δούλους μου καὶ ἐπὶ τὰς δούλας μου, καὶ προφητεύσουσι

'And that it was prophesied that this would come to pass through Him after His ascension into heaven, I have already said and say again. For he said: "He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, He gave gifts to the sons of men." And again in another prophecy it is said: "And it shall come to pass after these things, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh, and upon My menservants and upon My maidservants, and they shall prophesy."'

「至於曾預言這事要藉祂、在祂升天之後成就，我已經說過，現在再說。因為他說：『祂升上高天，擄掠了仇敵，將恩賜賜給人。』又在另一段預言中說：『此後，我要將我的靈澆灌凡有血氣的，並我的僕人和使女，他們就要說預言。』」

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