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C ap . xxiv , V ers . 1. — Ab Omnipotente non sunt abscondita tempora ; qui autem noverunt eum , igno- rant dies illius . 54. Dies Dei ejus aeternitas . Deus est quod habet . — Quid dies Dei , nisi ipsa ejus aeternitas appellatur ? quae nonnunquam unius diei pronuntiatione expri- mitur , sicut scriptum est : Melior est dies una in altiis tuis super millia ( Psal , lxxxiii , 11). Nonnun- quam vero pro sua longitudine dierum mu'torum appellatione signatur , de quibus scriptum est : In saeculum saeculi anni tui ( Psal . ci , 25). Nos itaque intra tempora volvimur , per hoc quod creatura su- mus . Deus autem qui creator est omnium aeternitate sua tempora nostra comprehendit . Ait ergo :
Chapter 24, Verse 1. — From the Almighty the times are not hidden; but those who know him are ignorant of his days. 54. God's day is his eternity. God is what he has. — What is called the day of God, if not his very eternity? This is sometimes expressed by the naming of a single day, as it is written: Better is one day in thy courts above thousands (Psalm 83:11). But sometimes, on account of its length, it is signified by the naming of many days, of which it is written: Thy years are unto generation and generation (Psalm 101:25). We therefore are turned about within the compass of times, in that we are creatures. But God, who is the creator of all things, comprehends our times by his eternity. He says therefore:
第二十四章,第一節——時期在全能者面前並不隱藏;然而認識祂的人卻不知祂的日子。五十四、上主的日子就是祂的永恆。上主就是祂所擁有的。——上主的日子若不是指祂的永恆,還能是什麼?這永恆有時以單一日子之稱來表達,正如經上所記:在你的院宇住一日,勝過住千日(詩篇八十四篇10節)。但有時因其長久,便以「多日」之稱來標記,論到這些日子經上記著:你的年數世世無窮(詩篇一〇二篇27節)。我們既是受造之物,便在時間之內輾轉。但上主既是萬物的創造者,便以祂的永恆涵蓋我們的時間。所以祂說:
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Ab Omnipotente non sunt abscondita tempora ; qui autem noverunt eum ignorant dies illius . Quia ipse quidem nostra comprehensibiliter conspicit , nos autem ea quae ejus sunt comprehendere nullatenus valemus . Sed natura Dei cum simplex sit , mirandum valde est , cur dicit : Qui noverunt eum , ignorant dies illius . Neque enim aliud ipse , atque aliud dies ejus sunt . Deus namque hoc est quod habet . Aeternitatem quippe habet , sed ipse est aeternitas . Lucem habet , sed lux sua ipse est . Claritatem habet , sed ipse est elaritas sua . Non est ergo in eo aliud esse , et aliud (??)abere . Quid est itaque dicere : Qui noverunt eum , ignorant dies illius , nisi quia et qui cognoscunt eum adhuc nesciunt ?
From the Almighty the times are not hidden; but those who know him are ignorant of his days. For he indeed beholds our affairs comprehensively, but we can in no way comprehend those things that are his. Yet since the nature of God is simple, it is greatly to be wondered at why he says: Those who know him are ignorant of his days. For his day and he himself are not one thing and another. For God is that which he has. He has eternity, but he himself is eternity. He has light, but his light is himself. He has brightness, but he himself is his own brightness. There is not therefore in him one thing to be and another to have. What then is it to say, Those who know him are ignorant of his days, but that even those who know him still do not know?
時期在全能者面前並不隱藏;然而認識祂的人卻不知祂的日子。因為祂固然全然透徹地觀看我們的事,我們卻絲毫不能領會那屬於祂的事。然而上主的本性既是單純的,那麼祂何以說「認識祂的人卻不知祂的日子」,就極其可驚了。因為祂的日子與祂自身並非兩回事。上主就是祂所擁有的。祂有永恆,但祂自己就是永恆;祂有光,但祂的光就是祂自己;祂有光輝,但祂自己就是祂的光輝。因此在祂裡面,「存在」與「擁有」並非兩回事。那麼說「認識祂的人卻不知祂的日子」,若不是指連認識祂的人也仍舊不認識,還能是什麼意思呢?
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Nam et qui jam eum fide tenent , adhuc per speciem ignorant . Et cum ipse sibi sit aeternitas , quem veraciter credimus , qualiter tamen sit ipsa ejus aeternitas ignoramus . In hoc namque quod de divinae naturae potentia audimus , ea nonnum- quam cogitare consuevimus quae per experientiam scimus . Omne enim quod coepit et desinit , initio et fine concluditur . Quod si mora aliquantula differtur ut finiatur , longum dicitur ; in qua videlicet longin- quitate cum quisque mentis oculos reducit retro per memoriam , tendit ante per exspectationem , a quasi per spatium temporis dilatat in mente .
For even those who now hold him by faith still do not know him through open vision. And although he himself is his own eternity, whom we truly believe, yet how his eternity itself is, we do not know. For in that which we hear concerning the power of the divine nature, we are sometimes accustomed to imagine those things which we know through experience. For everything that begins and ceases is bounded by a beginning and an end. And if it is deferred by some little delay before it ends, it is called long; and in that very length, when anyone leads back the eyes of his mind by memory, and stretches forward by expectation, he as it were dilates it in his mind through a span of time.
因為連如今憑信德持守祂的人,仍未藉面對面的觀看認識祂。祂雖是自己的永恆,是我們真切所信的那位,然而祂的永恆本身究竟如何,我們卻不得而知。因為在我們所聽見有關神性大能的事上,我們往往習慣以自己憑經驗所知的來想像。因為凡有開始、有終結的事物,都被始與終所限。若在終結之前稍有延緩,便稱之為「長」;正是在這長久之中,人以記憶把心眼引向過去,又以盼望向前伸展,便彷彿在心中把它擴延成一段時間。
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Cumque audit aeternitatem Dei , humano more b intendenti animo longa vitae spatia proponit , in quibus c metiatur sem- per et quid abiit retro , quod retineatur in memoria , et quid ante restat , quod exspectetur ex intentione . 55. In aeternitate nihil praeteritum aut futurum . — Sed quoties in aeternitate ista cogitamus , aeternitatem needum cognovimus . Ibi quippe est quod nec initio incipitur , nec fine terminatur , ubi neque exspectatur quod veniet , neque d percurrit quod debeat recor- dari , sed est unum quod 522 semper esse est .
And when he hears of the eternity of God, in human fashion he sets before his intent mind long spaces of life, in which he may always measure both what has gone by behind, which is retained in memory, and what remains before, which is awaited by expectation. 55. In eternity there is nothing past or future. — But as often as we think of that eternity in this way, we have not yet come to know eternity. For there is that which is neither begun by a beginning nor terminated by an end, where neither is that awaited which shall come, nor does that pass by which ought to be remembered, but there is one thing which is always to be.
當人聽見上主的永恆時,便以人的方式在其專注的心前擺出漫長的生命歲月,好在其中不斷衡量:既有已然逝去、存於記憶的過往,又有仍在前方、憑盼望所等候的將來。五十五、在永恆中沒有過去或將來。——但我們每當如此思想那永恆時,卻仍未認識永恆。因為那永恆既不以開始而起,也不以終結而止;在其中既無所等候將來之事,也無流逝當追念之事,唯有那永遠「存在」的獨一者。
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Quod etsi nos et angeli cum initio e esse videre incipimus , esse tamen hoc sine initio videmus , ubi sic sempe (??) sine fine esse est , ut nunquam se animus tendat ad sequentia , ac si multiplicentur quae sunt et longa fiant . Nam etsi per prophetiae spiritum dictura est : Domine , qui regnas in aeternum , et in saeculum , et adhuc (Fortasse , Exod . xv , 18, ubi legitur : Dominus regnabit in aeternum [Hebr ., in saeculum ] et ultra ), more sacri eloquii , humano modo spiritus hominibus est locutus , ut ibi adhuc diceret , f ubi exspectatio non inesset .
And although we and the angels, together with a beginning, begin to see that we exist, yet we see this existence to be without beginning, where thus to be is to be forever without end, so that the mind never stretches itself toward things that follow, as if the things that are were multiplied and became long. For although through the spirit of prophecy it is said: O Lord, who reignest for ever, and unto the age, and beyond (perhaps Exodus 15:18, where it reads: The Lord shall reign for ever [Hebrew: unto the age] and beyond), after the manner of sacred speech, the Spirit spoke to men in human fashion, so as to say there beyond, where no expectation was present.
我們和眾天使雖然是連同開始一起才開始看見自己存在,然而我們看見這存在乃是無始的;在那裡,「存在」就是永無終結地存在,以致心靈永不向後續之事伸展,彷彿那已有之物被增多、變得長久似的。因為雖藉先知之靈說:主啊,你永遠作王,直到萬代,以至更遠(或即出埃及記十五章18節,那裡記著:耶和華必作王直到永遠〔希伯來文:直到萬代〕以至更遠),這是照聖言的方式,聖靈以人的樣式對人說話,好在那沒有等候可言之處,仍說「更遠」。
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Adhuc enim aeternitas non habet , quae semper esse habet , in qua nulla pars suae longitudi- nis praeterit , ut pars alia succedat , g sed totum simul esse est , ut nil deesse videatur quod non cernat ; in qua omne quod est animus videt et tardum non esse , et longum esse . Sed haec de aeternitatis diebus lo- quentes , conamur magis videre aliquid quam vide- mus . Dicatur igitur recte : Qui autem noverunt eum , ignorunt dies illius , quia etsi jam Deum per fidem novimus , qualiter tamen sit ejus aeternitas , sine prae- terito ante saecula , sine futuro post saecula , sine mora longa , sine praestolatione perpetua , non vide- mus .
For eternity does not have any 'beyond,' since it has to be always; in it no part of its length passes away that another part may succeed, but the whole is to be all at once, so that nothing seems to be lacking which it does not behold; in which the mind sees that all that is, is both not slow and yet long. But in speaking these things about the days of eternity, we are striving rather to see something than we actually see. Let it be rightly said, then: But those who know him are ignorant of his days; because although we now know God through faith, yet how his eternity is — without a past before the ages, without a future after the ages, without long delay, without perpetual waiting — we do not see.
因為永恆並沒有「更遠」,既然它永遠存在;在其中,它長久的部分沒有一部分逝去、好讓另一部分接續,而是整體同時存在,以致無一它所不見之物顯得欠缺;在其中,心靈看見凡存在的既不遲緩,卻又長久。但我們論這些有關永恆之日的話,其實是竭力想看見某物,過於我們實際所見的。所以可以正當地說:認識祂的人卻不知祂的日子;因為我們雖如今憑信德認識上主,然而祂的永恆究竟如何——在萬世之先沒有過去,在萬世之後沒有將來,沒有長久的延緩,沒有永久的等候——我們卻看不見。
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Beatus itaque Job sanctae Ecclesiae typum te- nens , quia sub magno se scientiae freno moderatur , ne plus sapiat quam oportet sapere , et dies Dei non posse comprehendi testificans , ad haereticorum mox superbiam respectum mentis reducit , qui alta sapere appetunt , et quod capere utcunque non possunt perfecte se scire gloriantur . Nam sequitur :
Blessed Job, therefore, bearing the type of holy Church, since he governs himself under the great bridle of knowledge, lest he be wise above what it behooves to be wise, and testifying that the days of God cannot be comprehended, presently turns the regard of his mind back to the pride of heretics, who desire to be wise in lofty matters, and boast that they perfectly know what they cannot in any way grasp. For there follows:
所以真福約伯既擔負著聖教會的預表,便以知識的大韁繩約束自己,免得他所領悟的超過所當領悟的;他既見證上主的日子不可被領會,隨即把心思的注視轉向異端者的驕傲——他們妄想通曉高深之事,並誇口說自己完全知曉那本無法把握之事。因為接著說:
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